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The Path To Female Orgasm with Vanessa Marin

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Never had an orgasm? Struggle to reach orgasm with a partner? Vanessa Marin joins us to talk about stepping onto the path to female orgasm.

If you are a woman and want to learn how to have your first orgasm, or how to orgasm more consistently with a partner, enrollment for Finishing School is now open!

Finishing School: Learn To Orgasm

If you are a man struggling with performance anxiety, we’ve got you covered with The Modern Man’s Guide To Conquering Performance Pressure

If you find it difficult to have an orgasm, you are not alone. Far from it. MANY women struggle with having orgasms – both alone and during sex with a partner. Female orgasm is a cultural issue as much as it is a personal one – our culture stacks the deck against women enjoying sexual pleasure. So if you can’t have an orgasm, don’t feel ashamed – instead, give yourself the gift of focusing on learning how to orgasm, step by step, with the support of loving and skilled professionals.

Sex therapist Vanessa Marin has put together an incredible, comprehensive course for women who struggle with orgasm. If you have never had an orgasm or struggle to have orgasms consistently, the course offers you a proven path towards orgasmic confidence. You will learn the skills needed to bring yourself to orgasm and how to share orgasm with a partner. You will learn the art of masturbation and how to communicate about what your specific body needs to reach orgasm. You’ll discover what your barriers to orgasm are and how to overcome them. You’ll gain a ton of sexual confidence and swagger that will trickle out to all parts of your life! This is a huge gift you can give yourself (or your female partner!) and will transform your experience of your sexuality.

If you are a woman who struggles to orgasm, this course is for you. Check it out and enroll here: Finishing School: Learn To Orgasm

If you are a man struggling with performance anxiety, we’ve got you covered with The Modern Man’s Guide To Conquering Performance Pressure

If you enroll in one of Vanessa’s courses through the links above, we’ll throw in our Couples Massage Mastery course for FREE! We believe that couples massage is an amazing foundation for a more orgasmic life – and that the skills you learn with massage will transform your sex life. Just forward us your receipt from Vanessa and we’ll hook you up!

Note: We stand by Vanessa’s courses 100% – and when you enroll, we receive a small referral payment that helps support our work and the podcast. Thanks!


Transcript of Podcast Episode: The Path To Female Orgasm with Vanessa Marin

Chris Rose: 00:00 Hi. Welcome to Speaking of Sex with The Pleasure Mechanics. This is Chris from PleasureMechanics.com, and on today’s episode, we have a very special guest, sex therapist Vanessa Marin joins us to talk about female orgasm, especially female orgasm for women who have never experienced orgasm, who can not consistently reach orgasm alone or with a partner. And as it turns out, this is a lot of women. Many women have never learned how to have an orgasm, and as Vanessa and I discuss, it is very much a learned skill. Orgasm, as deeply personal as it feels, is also a relational issue, and it’s also a cultural issue, and we are going to talk about all of that on today’s episode.

Chris Rose: 00:53 Before we get started, I’d like to remind you that you can come over to pleasuremechanics.com to discover our complete podcast archive, and while you are there, be sure to sign up for our free online course, The Erotic Essentials. Come on over to pleasuremechanics.com/free to get started, and unlock a treasure trove of free resources for you, so you can start creating a sex life you want on your own terms.

Chris Rose: 01:24 All right, on today’s episode, we will be speaking with Vanessa Marin about female orgasm. Vanessa joined us on episode 288 of Speaking of Sex, to speak about male performance anxiety, and in that episode, we talked about one of her online courses, The Modern Man’s Guide to Conquering Performance Pressure. A bunch of our community members signed up for her course, and the feedback we got was awesome. People loved her strategic, step by step approach. They loved the depth of information she offered, and told us that her course was a really great compliment to what we offer here at Pleasure Mechanics, and so, looking at her other offerings, I asked to take a look at her female orgasm course, Finishing School, and I was so blown away but what I found, I knew I had to share it with you all.

Chris Rose: 02:22 If you are a woman that struggles with orgasm, whether you’ve never had an orgasm, or struggle to orgasm consistently, this course is for you. She walks you through, step by step, the emotional struggles, the physical struggles, the strategies and techniques to reach your first orgasm, or to get to the place where you feel orgasmically confident, where you know that your body is capable of tremendous pleasure, and you know how to get there, both alone and with a partner. Vanessa Marin has this beautiful offering ready to go, and brings to it the depth and wisdom of her experience from a decade as a sex therapist. She’s brilliant, she’s wonderful, she’s an ally to The Pleasure Mechanics, and we really want to share this course for the women in our community who it resonates with.

Chris Rose: 03:20 So, if you or a woman you love struggles with orgasm, definitely check out the course, and at the end of this podcast we will share a special offer for you, that if you sign up for Vanessa’s course, we’re going to bundle it with a couple of Pleasure Mechanics courses for an amazing opportunity to level up the orgasmic pleasure for you or a woman you love. All right, so everyone who’s interested in female orgasm will get a lot out of this episode. There’s tons of great information here, and at the end, we’ll tell you about the opportunity to join Vanessa Marin’s Finishing School, learn how to orgasm with all of the support of us, your Pleasure Mechanics, Vanessa, amazing sex therapist, and together, we will get you there. We will support you every step of the way.

Chris Rose: 04:15 All right, so without further ado, here is Vanessa Marin and I, discussing female orgasm.

Chris Rose: 04:24 Hello, Vanessa. Welcome back to Speaking of Sex.

Vanessa Marin: 04:28 Thank you. I’m so excited to be back.

Chris Rose: 04:30 So, the last time we spoke, we focused on performance anxiety in men, and today we’re going to focus on female orgasm, so here are two big questions to get us started. How do you define an orgasm, and do you believe it’s something that comes naturally, or is it a learned skill?

Vanessa Marin: 04:48 That first question is a really great one. There’s actually not really a great agreed upon definition of orgasm, and I think that can cause a lot of confusion. What I think of it as is a peak sexual experience, where you’re just experiencing a tremendous amount of pleasure in your body, and it feels like something that’s just that apex for you. It feels really ultra pleasurable and enjoyable. And when it comes to whether or not it’s something that comes naturally, or a skill, I come down wholeheartedly on the side of orgasm being a skill, and a skill that needs to be learned. So, I think most women, we think of orgasm as, “Oh, it’s something that happens in our body, it should just be this natural thing like breathing, or sneezing,” but I firmly believe that it’s not.

Vanessa Marin: 05:33 I believe that it’s something that we have to learn how to do, and I think it’s really important to recognize that, and to take any of the shame, or stigma, or embarrassment out of needing to learn how to do it.

Chris Rose: 05:44 I was going to ask about shame later, but since you mentioned it, let’s jump right in. Why the orgasm shame? Can we talk about this? I feel like I get so many emails saying, “I’ve been faking for years and I’m too ashamed to admit it,” or, “I feel embarrassed that I haven’t learned this yet, and it’s a real deficit of my personality.” How do we replace the kind of personal shame with a cultural conversation about how… I feel like culture is rigged against female orgasm, and we’re all stuck there. Where do you come down on this?

Vanessa Marin: 06:13 Yeah, it sure does feel that way a lot of the times. I mean, I think it’s really interesting, as well, because even as recently as maybe five or 10 years ago, we didn’t really talk about female orgasm that much as a culture. Any time it would be mentioned, it would be something like, “Oh, female orgasm, what’s that?” The kind of dopey husband on a TV sitcom or something like that. And so, there was a lot of shame about even acknowledging that female orgasm existed, and then what I’ve seen, at least in my own practice, is over the last five or 10 years, we’re starting to talk about female orgasm so much more openly. There are a lot of magazine articles about it, it’s all over the internet, it’s just a much more open conversation, and so you would think that would be a really good thing, and it is, but I’ve also found that it creates a different kind of shame for a lot of women.

Vanessa Marin: 07:05 Now a lot of women feel really ashamed if they don’t already know how to orgasm, so it’s like we’ve done this rapid shift from shame about even acknowledging that it exists, into now all of a sudden it’s okay, and if you haven’t had one, then there’s something horribly wrong with you. So, I think that recognizing that bigger cultural societal picture is really important for every woman, in recognizing that this is not an internal experience. It’s an external experience that’s been thrust upon all of us, ways of making us feel ashamed of our bodies, and our pleasure, and our needs and desires. So, I think that can be a big piece of it.

Chris Rose: 07:43 Yeah, and often so that online sex advice, and as sex educators, we are often told to say things like, “Take your mind off the orgasm,” or, “It’s all about the journey, not the destination,” but over the years, I’ve kind of realized that this can feel patronizing or dismissive, and ultimately I think orgasm does really matter. So, how do you think about the importance of orgasm in the overall experience of sexuality, and honoring it without putting pressure on it?

Vanessa Marin: 08:12 Yeah, that’s such a good question. I mean, I think that having that perspective about trying to relax into the experience, and trying to realize that orgasm isn’t the be all, end all of sex, those things are really important, but yeah, of course, when you have never had an orgasm, and you want to have one, hearing advice like that is so frustrating, because it makes it seem like all you need to do to have an orgasm is just to relax, or to not think about it, or have a glass of wine, and that’s just not the case. Like I said a few minutes ago, orgasm is a skill, and like any other skill, it has to be learned.

Vanessa Marin: 08:50 So, I think what it really comes down to is there needs to be a balance of both. Of reminders to be mindful, to explore your relationship with your entire body, not just with orgasm, to have better communication with your partner. That, but it also has to be coupled with really practical, concrete, tangible tips, strategies, exercises, solutions for actually learning how to orgasm, and I think that’s the problem that you see in a lot of articles written online or in magazines. They’ve got a 400 or an 800 word count that they can fill up, and so the vast majority of what you’re going to see is just, “Just relax, and take your mind off of it,” but there hasn’t been a really great conversation about yes, those things are important, and here’s exactly what you need to do to learn how to have that orgasm.

Chris Rose: 09:41 And part of the reason we’re talking is because you have done the work of putting together an amazing online course, that really breaks it down step by step, so how do you think of the components of… Your course is called Finishing School, which is a brilliant title.

Vanessa Marin: 09:58 Thank you.

Chris Rose: 09:59 Within Finishing School, what are the skillsets that are developed? How do you take us through that journey?

Vanessa Marin: 10:07 Yeah, so I do start with some of the blockages, the most common blockages that come up around orgasm. It’s like getting a foundational orgasmic education that we really weren’t given the opportunity to get anywhere else, so you learn things about the truth about how orgasm really works, and a lot of the myths that are out there, and the things that are confusing to people. You learn about some of the most common blockages that come up. And then I go into a portion of the course where I’ve broken things down into the most common mental blockages that come up, and the most common body blockages that come up. So, you learn specifically what those are, and very concrete, active tips for how to move past those blockages.

Vanessa Marin: 10:47 Then we get into the real heart of the course, which is where you learn how to masturbate. So, I firmly believe that masturbation is the best way to learn how to orgasm. Like I said, it’s a skill, has to be learned. Masturbation is the way to learn. So, I’ve taken all these different techniques and tips that I’ve tried out over the years, and boiled it down into a four factor system. So, you learn each of the four factors separately, and do different routines around that.

Vanessa Marin: 11:16 Then, there’s a whole section about troubleshooting your technique, because again, it’s a skill. It takes some trial and error, so going over some of the most common blockages that come up when you’re starting to learn. And then, finally, learning how to actually have your first orgasm.

Chris Rose: 11:35 And then you go into partnered orgasms?

Vanessa Marin: 11:38 Yeah, so I go over learning how to orgasm on your own first. That’s the first big chunk of the course. And then the second chunk of the course is all about learning how to take what you learned on your own and translate that into with a partner. So, that portion of the course is broken down into different ways of orgasming with a partner, so it talks about touch, about oral sex, about intercourse or penetration, and a lot of different tools, and tips, and strategies.

Chris Rose: 12:05 So, what are these blockages? When we think about an unorgasmic woman, a preorgasmic woman, often we can think that it’s such a personal constellation of factors that would be blocking that orgasm, but you and I, who are talking to thousands of people, see patterns. What are maybe the top three blockages you see, physically and emotionally? Can you name some of them?

Vanessa Marin: 12:30 Yeah, that’s a great question. So, definitely one of the main mental ones is having a hard time focusing. So, a lot of women will try learning how to masturbate, and they’ll say, “You know, I just… I get really bored. I get distracted. I don’t know what to think about. I feel kind of silly and foolish in the moment. I just can’t get into it.” And that’s also a really common experience that actually most of us, regardless of whether we’re struggling with our orgasm, most of us have a hard time staying mentally focused and present during intimacy with a partner, so that’s a super, super common one.

Vanessa Marin: 13:04 Another common blockage that comes up is having a poor relationship with your body, so I think most of us, especially as women, we are bombarded all day, every day, with these ideals of what our bodies are supposed to look like, and it’s this incredibly narrow window that probably a handful of women on the face of the planet really actually fit into. And so, most of us women have really complicated relationships with our bodies, but I kind of liken it to a lot of us walk around throughout our days beating up on our bodies, saying negative things about ourselves, insulting ourselves, and then we get into the bedroom, and we say, “Okay, body. Give me all the pleasure that I want. Give me orgasms.” And it just doesn’t work that way. We can’t have a different relationship with our body inside the bedroom than we have outside the bedroom, so that’s another very common topic that I spend a lot of time going over.

Vanessa Marin: 14:00 And sort of related to that one is the third one I would say, is feeling uncomfortable with your genitals. So, just as you might feel self conscious about your belly, or your thighs, your genitals can bring up a lot of discomfort, as well, and again, there’s a huge component of socialization here. We women have been taught to believe that our genitals, they smell weird, they look kind of weird, they taste funny, it’s something to be hidden, and embarrassed of, and ashamed of, so developing a better relationship with your genitals, as well, and learning that they’re totally normal, and natural, and beautiful, and nothing to be ashamed of, is a huge part of learning how to orgasm.

Chris Rose: 14:42 Another thing I hear a lot is worrying about taking too long, while meanwhile the men we talk to want nothing more than to pleasure their partner. What conversation needs to happen to help women take all the time they need to relax into receiving? And is it possible it isn’t about time at all, but about worthiness? How do you think about that?

Vanessa Marin: 15:04 Oh yeah. Definitely. I mean yeah, it’s such a huge thing that comes up. It’s really not about time. I actually have done an interesting exercise with a lot of my clients, where I’ll ask them, “How much time do you think you give yourself when you’re with a partner, or even on your own,” but this comes up more strongly with a partner. But how much time do you think you’ll give yourself before you give up and say, “I don’t think an orgasm’s in the cards for me tonight.” And a lot of my clients will tell me, “Maybe like two minutes,” and you know, also as humans, we’re notoriously bad at predicting how much time has gone by, so I’d be willing to guess that that’s actually more like 30 seconds, maybe 45 seconds.

Vanessa Marin: 15:45 So, you know, that’s not that long at all. Even if it was the full two minutes, two minutes is not very long at all, but I think it just cuts right to that worthiness issue right away, like am I really worthy of allowing my partner to focus on me, and to try to bring me pleasure? Even am I really worry of directing my own attention, and my own love, and care towards myself? So, that’s definitely a huge issue that comes up, and a really important one to address.

Chris Rose: 16:14 Yeah, because it seems like even women who are orgasming, and are masturbating, often there’s this lock and load attitude of kind of grab a high powered vibrator, lock it down, get it out of the way, as if it’s functional, and the idea of taking extra time just to build pleasure, taking extra time to relax, feels like, “But I have my to do list, and I have all these other people to take care of.” So, when we become more orgasmic, when we allow ourselves more pleasure, what effects are you seeing in your clients in the rest of their lives?

Vanessa Marin: 16:49 The really interesting thing about exploring your relationship with your orgasm is that it becomes about so much more than just your orgasm, and it really, especially in this topic, it really has the potential to change the way you relate to your entire life, and I know that might sound a little dramatic, but it really is so true. And that’s one of my favorite pieces of feedback that I get from the women who go through Finishing School is, “This changed my entire relationship with my body, with my pleasure, with my partner, with my life,” and it’s definitely… A huge part of that is this idea of slowing down, and that’s it’s okay for us to take our time with sex, and with ourselves, and with our partners, and to want to experience as much pleasure, and connection, and sensation as we can.

Vanessa Marin: 17:37 I mean, yes, we’re all busy. Sometimes just having a quickie is really nice. I’m not saying we all need to have three hour long sex sessions every single day, but I think most of us, if you’re really honest with yourself, and you ask yourself, “Okay, how much time in my life do I actually create for pleasure? How much do I prioritize pleasure in my life?” For most of us, that answer is going to be really sad. Probably shockingly small. So, this idea of really allowing yourself to take up more time, more space, take in more, can be so transformative. It’s really, really exciting.

Chris Rose: 18:18 Indeed. It doesn’t sound extreme at all, to I think those of us that have witnessed this, and then to allow that space for people to imagine what might change in their life, in sometimes relationship sense, sometimes jobs change, it really does trickle out. I’ve seen people have major creative breakthroughs, and write that book they’ve always wanted to write.

Vanessa Marin: 18:38 Oh, yeah.

Chris Rose: 18:39 And it’s hard to talk about I think sometimes, because we don’t understand scientifically how sexual energy fuels the rest of our creativity, and happiness, but there’s the connection, and we’re gathering the evidence, body by body. So, stepping into orgasm is kind of a climactic peak of this journey, but just like climbing Mt. Everest isn’t about those last few steps, I imagine that there’s skills learned along the way that start impacting your relationship to your body, to your relationship, to yourself, to your kids. What are some of those skills? Is it really about communication? Is it about staying present? How do you think about the kind of fringe benefits of going on this journey?

Vanessa Marin: 19:29 Yeah, there’re so many of them, and it really can be very individual, based on the particular woman, and what her story is, but there are… Some of the really common ones that tend to come up over and over again are just learning how to slow down, and get more pleasure and enjoyment out of life in general. One really interesting thing that I think happens around orgasm is some women, there’s almost this belief that an orgasm just kind of comes out of nowhere, and so I find myself repeating a lot, like, “Pleasure is the pathway to orgasm.” You’re not going to have this orgasm out of nowhere, it shocks you and takes you by surprise. You’re going to be having it after you’re feeling a lot of pleasure, and so I think that general idea of cultivating more pleasure, more build up, that’s something that definitely flows out to a lot of other areas of people’s lives, as well. It is that cheesy saying, like, “It’s the journey, not the destination,” but it’s very true in a lot of context.

Vanessa Marin: 20:27 So, that’s a common one. Learning how to stay more present, and focused in the moment, is definitely a really common one, as well. Increasing your body confidence, your connection to your body is another popular one, so yeah, definitely a lot of things along those lines.

Chris Rose: 20:44 Do you think it’s important that women learn to masturbate with their hands, or are sex toys a part of this? What’s the balance there?

Vanessa Marin: 20:52 What I usually do is I encourage women to think about what they would want out of their partnered sex life, when they’re considering what path to go down on their own. So, if you’ve discovered that you love sex toys, and they bring you a lot of pleasure and enjoyment, and you want to learn how to use sex toys with your partner, and feel comfortable about that, and excited about that, then that’s awesome. Sex toys are great. They do things that our hands and our mouths can not do, so I think that’s… They can be a fantastic option for a lot of women.

Vanessa Marin: 21:24 If you want to be able to experience a variety of orgasms, then my experience has been that learning how to masturbate with your hands is the most transferrable method of learning how to orgasm. So, if you masturbate with your hands, it makes it easier for you to teach your partner how to get you there with their hands, or with their mouth, and finding little tricks and techniques for getting there during intercourse, as well. So, it just really boils down to that option. What feels like the better path for you, what brings you more pleasure and enjoyment.

Chris Rose: 21:59 And I also love encouraging women, even if they’re using sex toys in addition, to get comfortable touching themselves. Sometimes I think sex toys act as this intermediary, if we’re not comfortable touching our own bodies, so even that self connection, even touching your whole body, and self massage can be a way of reconnecting and self love.

Vanessa Marin: 22:20 Absolutely. Yeah, I agree with that. Again, sex toys can be awesome, but you definitely should have a connection with your own body, as well. So, if the sex toy feels like a way for you to avoid touching your own body, or it just feels like something that’s easy, and quick, and fast, then I think that’s a little bit different. I think it’s important to learn how to cultivate that relationship with your own body first.

Chris Rose: 22:45 So, when women tell me they have trouble reaching orgasm with a partner, the first thing I clarify is does that mean orgasm during vaginal intercourse, with no warmup, with no clitoral stimulation, or does that mean you can’t reach orgasm in the presence of a partner? How do you work with the idea of partnered orgasms, and the skill of the partner, the activities, versus the kind of emotional charge of a witness?

Vanessa Marin: 23:11 Yeah, there can be so much stuff that comes up around orgasming with a partner, so it’s definitely very interesting and helpful to start piecing apart, where are the specific challenges that you’re having? So, one of the really common things that I find is that a lot of women feel embarrassed about the way that they masturbate, or the way that they bring themselves pleasure, and so there’s this aspect of not wanting to let a partner in on that, and so they don’t want to show their partner, or teach their partner. A lot of times that really comes down to just being able to normalize masturbation, and that the ways that we bring ourselves pleasure, they’re all beautiful, and wonderful, and special, and sexy, and hot. So, trying to develop more of that comfort.

Vanessa Marin: 23:55 There’s also a big piece around not wanting to give a partner feedback. I think so many of us think that giving a partner feedback means you’re telling your partner that they’re not doing a good enough job, or even that they’re bad, bad in bed, so a lot of women hesitate to give that kind of feedback. And of course, feedback is absolutely crucial, and essential to not just having an orgasm with your partner, but having a good sexual experience with your partner. So, that’s a huge one as well.

Vanessa Marin: 24:25 And then there’s also another big piece about the misinformation about how orgasm works with a partner, and all of these myths about how female orgasm is supposed to work, particularly around intercourse, where most women feel like they need to be able to have an orgasm during intercourse, and that something’s wrong with them if they don’t.

Chris Rose: 24:47 What do you think about orgasm during intercourse? Because studies show that very few women, some say around 30%, are capable, and yet we strive for it as if it’s this holy grail. And I know yet… As a queer person, I don’t want to diminish the importance of it for some women. Do you think it’s something worth striving for, or should we kind of take it off the table altogether and focus on other activities for female orgasm? How do we strike that balance?

Vanessa Marin: 25:18 Yeah, so I definitely, whenever I start talking about this topic, I climb right up onto my soapbox, and I start going off, so I’ll just offer that warning right here. But I believe that there’s… The reason that we emphasize orgasm during intercourse, I believe that it’s BS, frankly, and I believe that it really boils down to because that’s how straight men have orgasms, that that needs to be how women have orgasms, as well, and I think it creates a lot of disrespect, and just even an unwillingness to see that women’s bodies are different, and we need different things to get to orgasm. That doesn’t mean we’re more complicated, it doesn’t mean we’re difficult, or that our orgasms are mysterious. It just means that we need different things, and just because male bodies work in a certain way, doesn’t mean that all female bodies need to work in that exact same way.

Vanessa Marin: 26:12 So, in Finishing School I share a lot of information about this, but even talking about some of the science behind what are analogous structures in our genitals. So, most people don’t know that when we are fetuses in the womb, we start off as basically being one sex, and we don’t differentiate into being male bodied or female bodied until we’re about 11 weeks, and so the tissues that create genitals, they originally start off as being the exact same tissues, and so there’ll be certain parts that go and make a labia, and a clitoris, and a vagina on a female bodied person, and a penis, and testicles, and scrotum on a male bodied person. And so, the clitoris and the penis are biological equivalents. They’re made out of those same tissues. It’s kind of like the same ball of clay gets molded into two different shapes, and yet I think we have a lot of disrespect for the clitoris. We think of as this, again, this mysterious or complicated thing and that needing clitoral stimulation is somehow a sign that something’s wrong with the woman, that she’s not advanced enough or doesn’t know her body enough.

Vanessa Marin: 27:24 And we expect that this stimulation of the vagina is what’s going to be what leads to orgasm for women. So, I actually looked it up, and I wanted to know what is the biological equivalent of the vagina for a woman on a man, and it is the prostatic utricle. I don’t even know if I’m pronouncing that right, but you know, you don’t see any men’s magazines articles saying, “Here’s how to have an orgasm from your prostatic utricle.” So, it’s just, again, it really just boils down to this belief that we have that if something works for the man, then that’s the way we women are supposed to work, as well, and it’s just not true.

Vanessa Marin: 28:03 So, I think that… I know I’m going off on a long tangent here, but what it ultimately boils down to for me is there are ways that you can learn how to orgasm during intercourse, but it’s really important to be clear that it’s not from intercourse.

Chris Rose: 28:19 Thank you. I love that distinction.

Vanessa Marin: 28:21 That will be my quick summary of it. You can listen to the five minute rant, or you can listen to the one sentence summary.

Chris Rose: 28:29 Oh, that’s so important, because it’s such a different thing to be penetrated cold, and then that thrusting, versus after warm up, and while you’re having your clitoris stimulated, or dropping your own hand down, and there’s so many ways to get creative with it, but we have to get off script.

Vanessa Marin: 28:44 Exactly. Yeah, and intercourse is great. It’s really fun. It can feel pleasurable. It can be very connecting and intimate, so I don’t mean to bag on intercourse, but definitely just getting into a different mindset about it, that intercourse is not the activity that creates the most stimulation for the most important part of a woman’s body, but there are very easy ways to create that stimulation at the same time, so just getting that distinction in your mind really opens up so much spaciousness to approach it in a different way, and give your body what it actually needs.

Chris Rose: 29:18 And some educators make these long lists of cervical orgasms, and G-spot orgasms, and clitoral orgasms, and combined orgasms. Do you think those lists are useful? Or is it more useful to think about the orgasm as kind of a generalized experience that has many approaches?

Vanessa Marin: 29:37 I think that those lists generally tend to be really unhelpful and harmful, because I think they create this belief that we’re supposed to orgasm in all these different ways, and I think that even though a lot of times different educators or writers aren’t intending to, I think a lot of women read them as having a certain hierarchy to them. So, it feels like clitoral orgasms are, “Yeah, okay, those are… Sure, if you want to have those kind, but the really advanced, or spiritual, or unlocked woman has cervical orgasms.”

Vanessa Marin: 30:10 And I just don’t think that that’s the case. I think that all orgasms really boil down to the clitoris. That’s the most sensitive part of our body. It’s the only part of the male or female body that is designed just for pleasure. It has no other purpose. So, these lists I think… They just create hierarchy, create some false beliefs, so I think the idea of exploring all of your genitals, and all of your entire body, is amazing, and you should definitely do that, and you should definitely try to experience peak pleasure in every part of your body, but just understand that the way that the female body works, you are so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so much more likely to have an orgasm from your clitoris, than you are from other parts of your body.

Vanessa Marin: 31:01 So, it might be… The same way that maybe you want to explore your elbow, and see how much pleasure you can bring to your elbow. That’s awesome, and that could be a really fun exploration, but keep in mind that the likelihood of having an orgasm from your elbow is pretty low. So, just having that different state of mind, I think can be more helpful.

Chris Rose: 31:21 So, you have run this online course about women’s orgasm for a few years now. A few thousand women have gone through your program. What have you learned from the women you have helped, and what’s surprised you?

Vanessa Marin: 31:33 Oh my gosh, I’ve learned so much. It’s been a really interesting experience. When I first built the course, it had been after years of working with female orgasm, and I kind of thought that I had a good grasp on all the different ideas and topics that went into it, but I’m really big on trying to learn as much as I can from the women who go through it, and it’s definitely been a really eye opening experience. I think one of the things, probably the most surprising thing that I’ve learned is that I think for most women, orgasm really boils down to learning the nitty gritty details of exactly how to masturbate. So, I think a lot of us women, especially in the last five or 10 years as we’ve made this kind of transition in the way we talk about female orgasm, a lot of women feel like they’re blocked in some way. Some sort of mental or emotional blockage, and it feels like there are all these things that are in the way.

Vanessa Marin: 32:33 And I think that can create a lot of fear, and anxiety, and worry about, “Oh, I’m just too blocked. I can’t allow this to happen. I won’t let myself be vulnerable. I won’t let down my guard,” and in reality, my experience tracking women who’ve gone through Finishing School is that working on the blockage stuff, it’s important, it’s good to address, but it really boils down to learning how to masturbate. It’s much more of a technical problem than it is a mental or emotional one, so I think that’s really surprising. It’s been surprising for me, and I think it’s really surprising for the women who are considering joining, as well, because there’s just this belief that it’s all these mental and emotional blockages.

Chris Rose: 33:13 So, can you tell us a little bit more about Finishing School, who it’s for, and how to tell if it’s right for you?

Vanessa Marin: 33:20 Yes, Finishing School is for women who have never had an orgasm, or never been able to reliably orgasm. So, I actually have two versions of the course. The one that I was just talking about is called Learn How to Orgasm, so that’s the version that’s for women who’ve never had an orgasm, or never been able to orgasm consistently. I also have a second version of it called Orgasm With a Partner, and that version is for women who can orgasm on their own, but have never been able to fully get there with a partner. And it’s right for you if you have any sort of curiosities about wanting to learn how to orgasm, or even wanting to learn how to experience more pleasure, more connection, intimacy and enjoyment out of your sex life.

Chris Rose: 34:01 So, Finishing School is an online course, it’s evergreen, it’s available anytime, but right now you are launching a live version. What is special about this opportunity that is right now, at the end of September, 2018, that’s available now?

Vanessa Marin: 34:17 Yeah. I’m doing a version of Finishing School, Learn How to Orgasm, which is called Finishing School Live, so this is a special version of the course, where we’re going to all go through it at the same time together, and we’re going to do group coaching calls. So, like you said, the course is normally evergreen, you can take it whenever you want throughout the year, but I do these really extensive surveys of the women who have gone through the course, so I can learn more, and keep improving it, and one of the things that I learned is that women wanted to feel more of a sense of connection to me and the other women in the course, and to feel a little bit more accountability and motivation. So, they still wanted that privacy of an online course, but just to feel a bit more connection overall.

Vanessa Marin: 35:01 So, I decided to try out this live version of the course, where we all start at the same time, we go through weekly material, and exercises and stuff all at the same time, and then throughout the course, we do these live group coaching calls, which again, are private and anonymous, but they’re opportunities for you to ask questions, get personal support, more motivation, just feel that connection to this great community that you’re a part of. So, I’m really excited about trying this version out. It’ll be the first time that I’m doing it, so I’m very excited about that, and since it’s the first time, and I’m still kind of testing out how this is all going to work, I decided to offer it for the same price that Finishing School normally is, so you’re getting these great group coaching calls, a lot more accountability, and support, and personal resources and suggestions, but it’s for the exact same price.

Vanessa Marin: 35:55 That is going to start on October 1, so September 30 is the last day to sign up for it.

Chris Rose: 36:01 All right, listeners. Get on it. There are links in the show notes. If you, or a woman in your life, has never had an orgasm, or struggles to orgasm, now is the time. Vanessa Marin, thank you so much.

Vanessa Marin: 36:14 Thank you.

Chris Rose: 36:17 Okay, so I hope that all of us got a lot out of that episode, and learned more about female orgasm, and why so many struggle with it. If you struggle with orgasm, if you have never had an orgasm, there is no shame in that game. It is simply time to give yourself the gift of focusing on it, of learning how to orgasm with the support of us, your Pleasure Mechanics, of this amazing sex therapist, Vanessa Marin. Let us be on your team. So, if you think this opportunity is right for you, check out the show notes page. There are links there to explore Vanessa Marin’s offerings, and when you sign up for her course, and if you do so before September 30, at the end of this week, you get the opportunity to join the live version, and get all of this bonus coaching.

Chris Rose: 37:15 And if you sign up for Vanessa Marin’s course, shoot us an email with a copy of your receipt, and will give you access to The Pleasure Mechanics’ Couples Massage Mastery course. Because in my experience, if you need to learn how to relax and receive pleasure, if you need to learn how to focus on your body, and stay present while receiving pleasure, massage is one of the best ways to do that. It helps you learn how to relax, it helps you learn how to receive, it helps you learn how to focus on pleasure without all of the pleasure and charge of a sexual situation. So, we would love to offer you the Couples Massage course, bundle it together with Vanessa Marin’s Finishing School, and you will be so well supported in exploring how to gain orgasmic confidence.

Chris Rose: 38:10 And men, if you are listening to this, you are not left out. Vanessa also has an amazing course for men. We discussed it in episode 288. She really has an amazing system to conquer performance pressure, and get more in touch with your pleasure, and your orgasmic capability. If you are interested in leveling up your pleasure, check out the links. I’ll include her course for men, as well, in the show notes page, and we will also throw in Couples Massage for you, because men need to learn how to receive, as well.

Chris Rose: 38:47 All right, so we are offering this beautiful bundle of Pleasure Mechanics and Vanessa Marin courses together for whoever wants to level up their sex life. Check out the links in the show notes page. Let me know if you have any questions. We stand behind Vanessa Marin’s courses 100%. We would not be sharing them and using our podcast to talk about them if we didn’t think this was a beautiful opportunity for you to opt in to really quality, fabulous sex education online. That’s what we’re all about, and when other people do it well, we want to shout it from the rooftops.

Chris Rose: 39:26 All right, so get in on this. Join us. Talk to me about it if you have any concerns, and let us help you. Let us help you level up your orgasmic confidence. No matter who you are, what body you’re in, there is so much pleasure available to you, and it is a learned skill. We all can develop the skill to develop more orgasmic capacity. Yeah?

Chris Rose: 39:54 All right. I’m going to go do my homework now. Signing off. This is Chris from pleasuremechanics.com, wishing you a lifetime of pleasure.

Expanding Orgasmic Capacity

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Multiple orgasms, squirting orgasms, clitoral orgasms, oh my! We break down the complexity of orgasms and demystify all the hype about different types of orgasms.

A listener wrote in wanting to know more about female multiple orgasms. After listening to our podcast and deepening their sexual intimacy, he and his wife were experiencing new levels of pleasure and orgasm and wanted to know what exactly was going on.

Specifically, his question was about female ejaculation (a.k.a. “squirting”) and if multiple female ejaculations count as multiple orgasms. And, if his wife could have multiple ejaculatory orgasms, why did she feel “done” after one clitoral orgasm?

There is a lot of confusion out there about different “types” of orgasms. Clitoral orgasms, g-spot orgasms, a-spot orgasms, vaginal orgasms, cervical orgasms, anal orgasms, blended orgasms, multiple orgasms, squirting orgasms… and many sex educators will tell you that one type or another is better or more intense than another. All of this confusion and focus on creating a hierarchy of orgasms doesn’t serve anyone!

In this episode, we share a new perspective on orgasm and how to slowly expand your erotic capacity without worrying about different types of orgasms or which is better than another. Orgasm is all about pleasure, release and connection – so it is up to you to explore what your body is capable of at this moment, and to give yourself permission to explore what you want to experience next.

To explore the full potential of your sexual system, it helps to master the art of erotic touch. Check out our Foreplay Mastery Online Course to be guided, stroke by stroke, in our proven techniques to maximize orgasmic pleasure.

Transcript for Speaking of Sex Podcast Episode 298: Expanding Orgasmic Capacity

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Podcast Transcript For Episode #462: Getting Intimate While Bleeding

[00:00:00] Chris Maxwell Rose: Welcome to Speaking of Sex With the Pleasure Mechanics. I’m Chris. I’m Charlotte. We are the Pleasure Mechanics, and on this podcast we have raw, honest, explicit conversations about sex, pleasure, and the joy of connection. Come on over to pleasure mechanics.com where you will find all of the resources we have been lovingly generating for you since 2000 and.

[00:00:30] When we launched Pleasure Mechanics on our first Valentine’s Day together, um, we met in the halls of sexological body work training way back in the day, and we fell in love through and with this work. Hmm, with the questions of how do we share the gifts that we were learning. Students in the time in San Francisco, in the lineage of erotic massage.

[00:00:58] And that lineage is all about honoring the body, showing up for the full body and exploring what is erotically possible, uh, what her bodies are capable of, and really kind of re mystifying, falling back in love with the beauty and mystery and. Animal body of our bodies. Mm. Right. And on today’s episode, we’re gonna be talking about something that the body does, um, as a matter of natural course, right?

[00:01:31] It’s just part of what some of our bodies do some of the time. And it’s a place where we have so much cultural baggage and taboo, and not just cultural, like intergenerational historical taboo. Still with us in our bedrooms, in our play spaces, in how we treat our own and one another’s bodies. And it’s one of these places that as we confront it together, we might be kind of stunned by how much other people’s stories and opinions and cultural and religious taboo right, and control of our bodies, um, Interferes with our ability to have our own relationship with these bodies of ours and to come to our own conclusions about what we want to do with our bodies and let alone treat one another’s bodies with just like kindness and compassion and like awe and reverence maybe, right?

[00:02:32] Like we’re going for the awe and reverence around the body, but like, what if we can just get to the place of like kindness and compassion and not shaming one another. So all of that is to say we are about to have a conversation about sex while bleeding. About menstruation, about period sex, um, and about all of the different ways we can talk about this, engage with it, but come to our own conclusions,

[00:03:00] Charlotte Mia Rose: right?

[00:03:00] This is one of these places that we have inherited beliefs that we may not even realize that we have all of them, and this is the case with all of sex. But this subject is really particular and we can almost see those inherited ancestral beliefs more clearly. And so it’s a really interesting, important place to examine what do we actually think as individuals Now, at this point in your life, how do you want to relate to blood and bleeding people, whether you are a lover of them or whether you yourself bleed.

[00:03:37] I feel like it’s. We just wanna bring it up as a point of thought to explore and to just make sure we are like updating our inner files and making sure that our values are aligned with our actions and how we are treating each other’s bodies or our own.

[00:03:55] Chris Maxwell Rose: Well, and so when we talk about the intergenerational historical nature of this, right, like humans have had to answer this question of what do we do with these bodies that bleed sometimes, right?

[00:04:06] Like roughly half of human bodies bleed roughly once a month. And even as I say that, there’s so much variety within that, and we’re gonna just keep naming. Spectrums and ranges. And so when we talk about bleeding, like we’re going to move away from a language of like the monthly period that women have, right?

[00:04:24] Because that’s actually old data and it’s just not true. Right? The easiest way to talk about it is that some bodies bleed some of the time right through and we’re. Talking specifically here about, you know, pelvic bleeding, about menstrual bleeding, um, but this will bring up our relationship to blood itself and all of our bodies bleed and we all have a relationship to this.

[00:04:50] Right. I remember the first time I found like menstrual products in a gay man’s house, and I was so honored by that, that they have a relationship with people who bleed. Therefore, they provide, you know, services and convenience for it. And so when we talk about that intergenerational historical nature of this, this takes us all the way back to like our very primal roots as nomadic tribes of bodies wandering and surviving together, right?

[00:05:20] And if by our biological nature and like. Different animals have menstrual cycles, different numbers of times per years for humans. It’s quite frequent, uh, for a very long time in some of our lives, right? Like it’s decades of monthly cycles. So this is something that we as humans, Have a long history with and different cultures in different environments and atmospheres, right?

[00:05:51] And this is one of those places I can geek out forever. Like how do you deal with blood differently in a rainforest than a tundra, for example? Um, when there are predators around, That you have to be concerned about. What are the technologies where we actually keep bleeding bodies safe? And this is one of those things that blew my mind as a college student studying the anthropology of some of this, right?

[00:06:16] Like we can look at with a certain gaze, like something like a cage up in a tree for menstruating bodies and be horrified. Like they caged up women that, or they were creating an. Sleeping and safety space for people who are menstruating to relax at night while being provided for by the rest of the people.

[00:06:38] Right? Like that’s a really different story. And every culture has different stories around how they deal with blood and menstruation and honoring the bodies that bleed. We are in a culture now that has a very confused shame-based amalgam. Thousands of years of cultural and religious taboos around this that most of us have then embodied and inhabited through episodes of bullying and shame and this kind of vague cultural shame around this subject that’s not so vague at all, really.

[00:07:14] As I say that like most people listening to this now in 2023, um, who grew up in a certain like. Culture where you’re listening to this podcast like, yeah, most of us have a certain like trauma around. Menstruation and blood. And then this is expressed in our individual personal conversations around sexuality and it can feel really personal.

[00:07:39] But I just wanna honor that like thousands of years of history here that we’re all inheriting in different ways. Like what did you learn from your parents and grandparents and friends at school and you know, were you ever bullied around this? Um, and how does that affect how you deal now with sex while bleeding?

[00:07:58] Charlotte Mia Rose: I just wanna un so much there. I just wanna summarize thank and highlight and, um, a few of the pieces that I think are really relevant. So like how we deal today with how our feelings and actions around how we have sex with somebody who is bleeding can be deeply impacted by thousands of years of history where.

[00:08:21] People’s relationship to bleeding bodies were navigated around safety of blood being in nature, and that drawing predators, and without having showers, we now live in a world where we have showers and there are no predators that are coming.

[00:08:37] Chris Maxwell Rose: Okay. But in between those two points, yeah. Is a lot is thousands of years of patriarchal control.

[00:08:44] Of reproducing bodies. Right. Like we can’t ignore that either. Absolutely. And what blood meant and how it was used to control and shame bodies, right? Yeah. And like what the presence or absence of a menstrual cycle. Was imposed like that, imposed meaning of that on certain bodies and the, the, I mean the biosocial cultural financial repercussions of this.

[00:09:10] Like, we cannot underestimate this. Yeah. And the more we’re actually talking about it, like I’m just, we have to excavate this. And come to some different relationship with how we think and embody this truth today now. And so all of this is coming to a head first off, and cuz it’s amazing, you know, we’ve done 400 and some episodes and we’ve never really covered this even though it’s something that so many of us deal with like on a regular basis.

[00:09:39] Yeah. And we’ve done episodes about a lot of pretty out there things. And so in some ways there’s even an avoidance from. And I think this is the baseline strategy for a lot of people. It’s an avoidance of the topic, and for me, like I was meant to feel like it was like a burden or gross enough that at least you keep it private, right?

[00:09:59] Like you deal with it on your own. You learn how to slip a tampon up the sleeve of your shirt so no one sees you carrying it. Like you learn these strategies of privacy and secrecy. And see. Yes. Yes. And it’s like something you manage. It’s like kind of like a gross body function that you manage discreetly and privately as possible.

[00:10:21] And if you bleed on someone’s sheets, you apologize profusely and replace the sheets. And it’s right, like. Even I as a sex educator had kind of embodied this level of like avoidance and management up until I think the process where we were trying to get pregnant and that like changed our relationship with it right into one of, and again, how many stories we all carry about these things, like the years of our lives where the presence of a period meant grief.

[00:10:53] Yeah, a whole cycle of grief to be managed navigated. Mm-hmm. Right. So we weren’t eroticizing that shit. Um, and so then recently, like only in these recent years of my life, as we have opened up our relationship and I’m having sex with new and especially cis male partners, The way they have responded to my menstruation has been so revealing of so many different attitudes and stories we all carry and what they trigger in me.

[00:11:26] And I’ve had some like real deep shame triggered when like my period was treated as something that meant I was untouchable. Mm. And sometimes this intersects with really well-planned dates and a lot of sexual excitement, anticipation. And then, wow, my body’s bleeding. And that all of a sudden means something has come in between us and these sexual plans.

[00:11:48] And I wanna just ask all of us to kind of examine like, how do we think about this approach, this manage this? What is the relationship and story we have with our own bleeding bodies? Right. And again, the range there because some people bleed and it’s not a huge interference in their life. Other people, it’s like a major medical thing to manage every month.

[00:12:10] Some people almost never stop bleeding because of various conditions, right? And hormonal complications. Some people never bleed because they use an I U D that interferes with the cycle, or they’re post bleeding, or they never started bleeding in the first.

[00:12:27] Charlotte Mia Rose: Right there is an enormous range of how people who are bleeding experience their own situation with blood.

[00:12:36] Um, and there can be an enormous range within one cycle for one person. And then a huge range between cycles, like it is so changeable. And so this is where like deep communication and nuanced communication is essential and kind of complicated. Like it’s a deep, it’s a skillset to be able to navigate. Um, The conversation.

[00:13:02] First of all, we need to examine our own preferences and how we feel about blood and what we feel up for. Do we have like aversion? Do we have like a neutral willingness or do we have like desire to be up in the blood, right? People are gonna have an enormous reign. Some people wanna like, You know, take the blood and put it all over bodies and like have it be like an art ceremony.

[00:13:24] You know, other people are like, I don’t wanna be around it at all. Yeah. So like, all of this is normal.

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[00:13:29] Chris Maxwell Rose: Well wait, wait, we need to really name this range for people. Yeah, because like your, again, your relationship to blood, like the, it has all these cultural implications about menstruation, but also to the blood itself.

[00:13:46] And some people, as you said, are deeply attracted to it and it almost triggers like a primal thirstiness, hunger eroticism and other people. It’s aversion to the point of w retching, right? Uhhuh. And that spectrum is just part of, again, the human spectrum of response to any one thing that we try to honor on this podcast and in all we do here at Pleasure Mechanics, so we can come to these conversations.

[00:14:14] About sex while bleeding. Right? Like with that whole range accounted for. Right?

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[00:14:21] Chris Maxwell Rose: And

[00:14:26] Charlotte Mia Rose: what I wanna encourage people to think about is you are allowed to have your preferences. Yes. Always and forever, right? But like, let’s look at the meaning. That we’re making around the blood and like let’s assess if what you are feeling and the stories you’re telling about blood are actually true or current, or are they like what you have been told about peop blood over time, through your family, through your religion, through whatever influence you’ve had.

[00:14:55] And I think that’s the important part. Always want you to have your preference, but like, let’s assess, um, the stories that we’re telling about them and what that makes possible Erotically or in terms of being with a body.

[00:15:07] Chris Maxwell Rose: Yeah. And it’s like any process, like when we’re excavating shame when we’re going through this.

[00:15:11] Like what is mine? What is historical? Yeah. What is cultural? Like, how do we have preferences within this miasma of culture? Right. These are all really big questions, but it’s like at least we open it up. Yeah. Sort through it, look at it and we can start having some clarity. Mm-hmm. Right. And so this all came to a head for me recently where I had a week planned where I could have like as much sex as I wanted with one of my sex partners for a whole week, cuz oh my God, they were in a hotel nearby and this was gonna be amazing.

[00:15:38] And then I was bleeding the whole five days and the way it was managed and treated like almost ended our relationship. Mm-hmm. Because not only did he have his preferences, which was no sex while bleeding, but the way he expressed it, like shamed and controlled my body in these kind of subtle ways that then became not so subtle to me.

[00:16:01] And like your preferences get to be your preferences, but we don’t get to shame one another. We can have our preferences with kind. And this is a place where it’s like so many dates have been like, well, sex on the period is okay as long as it doesn’t look like a war scene afterwards. And they start comparing menstruation, blood with violence.

[00:16:22] Charlotte Mia Rose: And you’ve had multiple people say that line. Many. Which is an interesting Yeah. Point that like it’s a cultural enough idea that men, as long as it doesn’t look like a murder scene. Right. Like the exact same line. Yeah. So that is a cultural idea that blood equates to violence, right? This blood is not violent blood, this is not from violence.

[00:16:43] And so like, let’s, let’s detach that.

[00:16:46] Chris Maxwell Rose: Quite the opposite, right? And like how offensive that is towards my body. And its like cycles and its expression of itself and like what it does to keep itself like. Balanced, right? It’s like we all take shits. We all pee, we all eat. Like we have functions that happen within our bodies.

[00:17:06] And yeah, this is just a place where it’s like you can express your preferences and navigate boundaries and practice shame-free communication. And that’s, it starts with yourself, like, how do you think about this? And like I just try to have a lot of compassion with it because like none of these guys are trying to shame me.

[00:17:27] Yeah. They all cherish me and I feel that, but it’s like, They haven’t learned how to be revent and cherish the human body itself. And very few of us have, right?

[00:17:38] Charlotte Mia Rose: Well, there’s like reverence, but then before that it’s just basic respect because like this is an important and valuable process and. So you don’t have to like fall madly in love with menstrual blood, but you can respect that.

[00:17:53] It’s a really important thing that happens in the body and it’s just part of being human and it’s part of, yeah. Yeah. And so how do we just like kind of neutralize it a little bit and just be with it as like part of the body and getting more comfortable with accepting bodies as they

[00:18:11] Chris Maxwell Rose: are. Right, because bodies have all sorts of expressions, right?

[00:18:14] And like that might be nausea, that might be pain, that might be cancer, that might be right. Like our bodies go through all of these things and we can’t shame and desexualize one another. We have to have alternative responses, right? And so one of the best responses that I’ve received in this moment of like, oh shit, we have a day planned, but now I’m bleeding, is like, what do you need, babe?

[00:18:39] Like so beautiful. Are you comfortable? Are you in any pain? Like how are you feeling? Bringing our communication back to empathy and compassion and curiosity about one another’s experiences

[00:18:53] Charlotte Mia Rose: and Didn’t that person say, do you need a hot water bottle? Like how fucking cute

[00:18:58] Chris Maxwell Rose: is that? Totally. But it’s like, do you need a hot water bottle or do you need to be railed?

[00:19:02] Because I’m here for either one. Right. And it’s like, Accepting that different people have different responses, and especially like within different days of the cycle, within different cycles within, you know, just how your body is feeling. So we’re gonna take a moment and thank the sponsor for this episode.

[00:19:20] But when we come back, I really want to paint the picture that it doesn’t have to be, again, these firm binary boundaries of your into period sex or your not. Like how do we get more curious about the ways we tend to, and pleasure and enjoy. Maybe one another’s bodies and our own bodies at every point in our cycles, right?

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[00:21:43] That’s pleasure mechanics.com/toolbox for all of the offers from our sponsors and some of our favorite sex toys and tools to get you equipped for the adventure. All right, thanks, Dipsy. And back to this conversation about period sex. I know it’s a little messy and all over the place. Ha ha ha. I haven’t slipped not nearly enough period puns into those episodes, so I’ll, I’ll get on that.

[00:22:11] Um, But it’s just this reality, right? It’s like, it’s this thing that happens to somebodies some of the time. We don’t really have control over. Its like duration or timing or frequency. Um, it can come during the sexiest laid plans and. It can be a real range in people from like, I need to curl fetal in bed with a hot water bottle to I wanna get plowed reamed and make menstrual art to, you know, worship my pagan god’s with.

[00:22:41] Right? Like we have a huge range of experiences here, and so the only response. As in so much of sexuality, like the only response we can offer is to get curious about what your experiences and how that overlaps with the bodies that you’re lying next to. Mm-hmm. And this could be your roommate, your lover, your wife, your best friend.

[00:23:06] Like we all have relationships with bleeding bodies. Right. And how we engage with. Matters and we can subtly be shaming and comparing it with violence. Or we can also be like very overtly supporting and showing compassion and love and curiosity about one another’s bodies.

[00:23:26] Charlotte Mia Rose: Yeah. And what we say and how we act about these things in small moments throughout life and in those big charged moments of sex has an impact on people.

[00:23:35] Huge. It can create a sense of safety and deep acceptance and. Integration of genitals and full body ness, or it can feel shaming and embarrassing and contributes to that storyline. And so what you say and how you act does have an impact. Yeah. And so let’s like just bring some attention and see, see what we wanna choose there.

[00:24:00] But we were talking earlier about the range people were having within their experience of bleeding. And this is why it gets a little complicated because some people, Not be interested at all in, in, in any kind of sex on day two of their period, but like day four would be totally up for it. Other people want to have sex cuz they’re having intense pain and cramping.

[00:24:22] And the uterine cramps of orgasm can be really mm-hmm. Like relieving. Mm-hmm. Um, so everyone’s so, so, so different.

[00:24:30] Chris Maxwell Rose: And as a lover, right. Some people might be really into blood and totally up for like oral sex while bleeding and be so, Honored or turned on by that. Other people, it’s like, no, I don’t wanna drink blood, but I don’t mind touching it or putting a condom on and having intercourse or using a toy.

[00:24:49] Right. Using your hands. These, when we say like, having sexual repertoires means we can have more sex, we really mean that. Yeah, literally. Right? Yeah. Like, and one of the big disappointments with this lover in the hotel was like, he shut it all down because intercourse off the table and oral sex, which is like our main go-tos.

[00:25:08] It’s what we do really well together. I love it. Yeah. But like it showed that we, in a, I got really like mad at myself that we didn’t have that range, that my needs could be taken care of while respecting his boundaries. Right. And to like approach it in that team way of like, what do you need right now?

[00:25:26] What can I offer? What’s off the table for me? Like we all get respected here and it might be that your sex intimacy during period means it’s the time you like binge on Netflix and eat lots of yummy snacks and give each other foot massage under the cozy covers and cuddle a lot. And you both look forward to that in the month.

[00:25:47] Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. Um, and it’s like a time of like cozying down and taking care of one another. Um, you might discover in this conversation, Both actually get really horny during bleeding and you buy waterproof blankets and get ready for splash time, right? Like we all will have a different relationship and it’s all valid.

[00:26:07] And what we also can notice is as we have this conversation with self-compassion, this kind of historical curiosity of like, why do I think the way, I think both self histories, like what happened in gym class when you were bleeding. How was that treated at your school? How did your first lovers like, we were having this conversation and Charlotte was like, oh, holy shit.

[00:26:31] No wonder I’ve had an easy time with. Right.

[00:26:34] Charlotte Mia Rose: I’ve only had lovers who have been very supportive and I was remembering I hadn’t actually forgotten this first. Nice for you. I know. Sorry, sorry. Um, but I’m not sorry, but not everyone has had that experience. But my first ex sexual experience was ever, ever was somebody going down on me while I had my period on the rooftops rooftop of London.

[00:26:52] Yeah. It was a teenager. So it was like, it just sort of started off being accepted and I think that really helped me And you like at a dramatic level school. And though somebody was bleeding at school once and they’ve just covered it up and it was less of an issue. There wasn’t so much blaming, but like people are still doing art projects about wearing clothes that are bleeding in public.

[00:27:10] Like we’re still at that point that it is a big thing. But if you do have. Inhibitions. If you do feel like there are things that get in the way of you wanting to, you’re up for it, but like there’s a mess situation to deal with. There are actions you can take. Like you can become a person that has a black towel at your house that is ready for period

[00:27:29] Chris Maxwell Rose: sex, or all our towels and sheets are bloody.

[00:27:31] Charlotte Mia Rose: Yeah. Or you have, yeah, like a cheaper pair of sheets depending on. What your situation is. Mm-hmm. Or a mattress pad or like splash. There are all these like new things you can buy that you can get super wet and then throw in the, not the dishwasher, the washing machine. Like there’s so many different actions you can take.

[00:27:48] Yeah. So like depending on what your situation is, like you can navigate things and still be accepting and chill.

[00:27:56] Chris Maxwell Rose: And as a lover, right? Like it’s okay to express that you don’t want to do something, and we can do that without shaming or creating like a gross out ick factor about the other person’s body.

[00:28:09] And again, these are things that come up in all sorts of sexual conversations and they’re like advanced. Erotic communication skills, we are inviting us all to aspire towards. Yeah. The ability to have conversations with one another, to the nuance of like what I’m into, what I’m up for, how are you feeling on different days of this.

[00:28:31] Thing that like maybe has historical taboos, like it has a lot of charge around it, this conversation. And so we can like inch towards it. Um, and honor the fact that just by having the conversation, we’re opening up some breathing room to get out of our own like habits rut. And assumptions here, like there’s so many assumptions.

[00:28:55] Like in my tear stained conversation as I was about to leave this lover being like, and you wouldn’t even touch me during my period, you know, he was like, I grew up in a culture where that was just absolutely off the table. I didn’t think any woman would want sex during her period. Like I didn’t even think to ask.

[00:29:14] Charlotte Mia Rose: Right. Well, he thought every woman would like to have cuddles during those five days. Right. And you were. I, I’m not here for the cuddles, but like, that’s not everyone’s situation, right?

[00:29:25] Chris Maxwell Rose: Yes. It’s like, and like we, we did have this conversation eventually, but it was almost like, um, I’m just saying like have compassion, because even I who have like been doing this my whole life am struggling to have this conversation in a way that like I’m realizing there’s so much more body shame.

[00:29:44] I’m carrying that like we don’t even know we have sometimes until you hit up against these things, like I’ve been naked in front of so many people, I’m very. Body positive. I love my pussy and all that it like holds for me, but like I didn’t realize that I was still treating my period as something to be like managed and avoided even though I make menstrual art on my own right.

[00:30:06] And have been doing those. So since I was a kid, like these are not simple conversations for us and we can hit edges of vulnerability that it’s like, whoa, my lovers telling me they’re super into period sex. Like, am I ready to go there? Am I ready to feed my lover, my menstrual blood and pagan ritual rights?

[00:30:24] Like, I don’t know, like, that sounds like a lot and we have to have like humor and compassion around these conversations. But these conversations really matter. They are life-changing conversations. They can shed so much, uh, like kind of shame that we don’t even know that we’re carrying. Yeah. And just open up our relationships with ourself with one another to more.

[00:30:49] Kindness and care and compassion at the end of the day.

[00:30:53] Charlotte Mia Rose: And freedom because once we’re like releasing some of inherited beliefs that we may or may not believe, yeah. Um, we’re leaving a little more space for our own authentic sexuality and. Connection and relationship with eroticism and other people’s bodies and our own to to have some more space.

[00:31:12] And so it’s a valuable and powerful inquiry and we kind of invite you to do your own self inquiry, but also be in conversation with people that you are in relationship with, whether that’s of a sexual nature or not. Like as you said, we are all in relationship with people who bleed, whether that’s friends.

[00:31:31] Um, all lovers and let’s just see if we can create a little more body acceptance and not be prescriptive about what it has to look like. We’re not saying there’s any like sex that you have to have, and it’s like more enlightened to do one or the other. Definitely. We’re really not saying that. We just want to like open up the, the conversation and have you explore it a little

[00:31:49] Chris Maxwell Rose: bit.

[00:31:50] Yeah. And the conversation, as you said, with more than Your lover, because if you talk to your friends about bleeding and how it impacts them, like, you might find out that a few of your friends are also dealing with things like endometriosis or fibroids or, um, you know, like maybe you have something in common there and can support one another and share resources or bring each other snacks when you know you’re hurting, right?

[00:32:15] Mm-hmm. Like, these things don’t have to be invisible and again, Circling way back to the beginning of this episode, one of the legacies of this cultural history we all share is the silencing of anything to do with sexuality or even the pelvis. Yeah, right. Like you might tell your coworkers if you have lung cancer and avoid the conversation if you have prostate.

[00:32:41] Vulva cancer just out of pelvic shame and the silencing there really denies a lot of us. The care and compassion and connection we all need and bleeding. It just became very apparent for me is this thing that happens on repeat for many of us and is a conversation we can continue to have to shed the shame, kind of confront our own relationships with our bodies and how can we bring more compassion and curiosity and care.

[00:33:14] Right. And thank you to all my lovers who have been like absolutely amazing and generous. You know? And you and I, Charlotte, like in just having the preparations for this podcast are realizing like maybe there’s more play between us that’s possible. And so we’ve had this place of acceptance. You know, in our lesbian household where we share menstrual underwear, sometimes, you know, it’s like, oh, you ran out baby here have some of mine.

[00:33:40] Right. And there’s a lot of acceptance and support, but we could eroticize it even further. Right?

[00:33:46] Charlotte Mia Rose: Right. In the conversation I was like, oh, I remember really loving like good information, you know? I was like, oh, but. When you’re with someone all the time, you’re like, well, we can just do it on the other days.

[00:33:56] Anyway, there’s just so much more always to explore and unpack in the world of bodies and sexuality, and we are all on this journey together, but we are trying to create a world of more acceptance, more freedom, more joy, more love. Yeah. And the start one conversation at a time. Yes, one thought inquiry.

[00:34:13] Let’s do

[00:34:13] Chris Maxwell Rose: it together. So much of what we offer you here at Pleasure Mechanics, you’ll find it all@pleasuremechanics.com, where you will find our complete podcast archive or look for us on iTunes or Spotify. Leave a rating or review wherever you listen. It really helps. Out and we will be back with you again with another episode out and check out our online courses.

[00:34:38] You know, cuz we get these emails all the time from folks who have loved the podcast and then are delighted to realize that we have courses to guide you. Stroke by stroke and erotic touch techniques and spanking and kink. If you love the podcast, please check out our courses. They are all waiting for you at pleasure.

[00:34:59] Dot com and I love it when I get the emails that say things like, your Strokes were the phrase book to my wife’s body that I didn’t know I needed. Right. Like those are the kinds of emails I wake up to every day from folks that are in the courses who are having the aha moments and the breakthroughs where they finally get to touch one another in ways that express their love and devotion and passion.

[00:35:27] Um, we love that we can do this work with you from the privacy of your own home, and that is what we have been devoted to is creating online resources. So we can share these aha moments of coming home into our erotic bodies and into that confidence, into the like relaxed confidence. Of a lover who knows how to touch and pleasure the body they love like fuck ya.

[00:35:56] Mm-hmm. It’s all waiting for you@pleasuremechanics.com and keep those emails coming where you can sound off@pleasuremechanics.com slash hello and record a voicemail to be included on future episodes. We love you. Thank you for being with us. I’m Chris. I’m Charlotte. We are the pleasure Mechanics. Wishing you a

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Chris Maxwell Rose: All right. On to today’s episode. I received this amazing email and within the email, there’s some praise for what we do. And I love sharing other people’s experience as they listen to this podcast.

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Speaker: And built into this are a lot of questions about orgasms and types of orgasms and multiple orgasms. And so we want to lay out some orgasm wisdom for ya. So Charlotte will get us started by reading the questions submitted by a listener.

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Speaker: Hello. I’m a 46 year old man from Texas. Before I ask my question, I want to thank you so very much for your wonderful podcast. I’ve gone through a transformational change in my last three years, focusing on presence in my life, and that includes the area of sexuality. Your podcast has been a part of the ongoing work I’m doing to live my life as my best self. Discussions you’ve had on your podcast have helped me open pathways and conversations with my wife that have increased our intimacy as well as our erotic pleasure. So from the bottom of my heart and truly the bottom of my soul. Thank you very much for the important work you do that helps so many people, including me.

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Speaker: Thank you now for my question.

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Speaker: My wife is a higher drive libido than me, which we have discussed and now talk about an open. They accept her body is such a beautiful thing and capable of incredible, wonderful things.

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Speaker: One of them is that she is able to squirt. She derives a lot of pleasure from that. That’s a recent discovery that is out of our increased level of intimacy. Sometimes in our lovemaking sessions, she will squirt a food few times to a dozen times. It’s not an all the time, every time thing, but when it does happen, it’s really pleasurable for her and also for me to be a part of her life in those moments and share this experience with her as a giver. Our recent conversation about that led to the discussion of multiple orgasms. But what my wife and I were wondering was when you guys and other sexologist speak about multiple orgasms, you’re talking about clitoral orgasms, anal orgasms or things like squirting included in in the conversation. This is an honest question that neither of us know the answer to. And we were both smiling and laughing as we were trying to figure it out. We’re also very careful to be cautious about caring so much about the answer to this question. The fact is that she likes the way it feels and she’s able to squirt multiple times. And that is a beautiful, incredible thing. And we’re going to continue to enjoy this regardless of the labels. But we’re also wondering if perhaps her body is capable of more than one clitoral orgasm. To date, she says that once she has a clitoral orgasm, she’s done. And I trust her to communicate what she’s feeling and her desires and what she’s capable of. But since we’ve gone through a period of discovery and awakening, she is curious if all this talk about. Thing about women being multi orgasmic is something she’s already experiencing or something she perhaps is capable of via her clitoris that she hasn’t discovered yet. This turned into a really long e-mail. I think when you boil it down, the question is pretty simple. When psychologists talk about female multi orgasmic experience, all they, including these intense moments of squeezing and release, are all they took you about a different kind of orgasm. Thank you so much for sharing your experience, lives and knowledge.

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Speaker: Thank you so much. I love the long version of this and there’s so much in there. So I didn’t want to boil it down, but thank you for summing it up at the end. This is a pro level question. I love it.

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Speaker: So I think this question is such a perfect one because it reveals so much. First, I just want to celebrate that you are being pleasure explorers together. You are in this process of learning new things, getting new ideas, listening to podcasts, doing research, having conversations, laughing and playing with one another’s bodies to discover what you are capable of. This is the key.

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Speaker: This is what I want for all of us. That wherever we are in life, whether or not we’re in a relationship. However, our bodies are presenting at the moment that we can be investigators of our own pleasure capacity. What would feel good to your body right now? If you’re in a relationship, how can you pleasure one another’s bodies? Right now, as is on your own terms. Right. So this couple is now exploring multiple orgasms and squirting ejaculation. But for you right now, your pleasure explorations might be long walks, holding hands and talking. It might be anal play. It might be kink. We’re all at different points in our own erotic journeys. And it all looks different. So I just love the exploratory nature of this relationship and that they’re having fun discovering what they’re capable of. So what I will say about the research that sexology has done into multiple orgasms and female ejaculation and different kinds of orgasms is that science has not and probably will not ever fully map the true capacity of human sexual pleasure, especially not female pleasure.

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Speaker: But I don’t even think men’s is included in there. Like science is not super committed to investigating what is possible erotically what our bodies are capable of. The ecstasy, the joy, the orgasmic release. And even if they were curious about these questions, to study this scientifically in a lab in and of itself puts limits on what they’re seeing, what they’re perceiving, the questions that are asking.

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Speaker: So the scientific answer is they don’t know and probably will never know.

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Speaker: And there’s a lot of different conflicting opinions about are there different kinds of orgasms? The basic scientific definition of an orgasm has nothing to do with body parts. It has nothing to do with the kind of stimulation you’re giving or even the lived experience of that orgasm. So we can define an orgasm as a climactic release of sexual tension, but that orgasm might come from nibbling an ear lobe or triple penetration. And the scientific studies don’t really differentiate nor really investigate the lived experiences of these orgasms. And so it’s up to us.

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Speaker: It’s up to the pleasure of researchers on the ground and in communities like this to start telling each other what is possible to start and mapping it and owning it and investigating what is possible in each of our individual bodies at different times and what we find when we do that research and talk about it openly without shame. Is that much more is possible than anyone ever could imagine. I think we’re not even near discovering the limits of human sexual pleasure capacity.

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Speaker: I hope that we’re, you know, just at the beginning of this process.

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Speaker: But within this email, for example, I would have expected him to say my wife can have multiple clitoral orgasms, but when she squirts, she feels done because that’s the more common narrative than multiple orgasms through clitoral stimulation are very possible. But with a female ejaculation, there is this climactic release and females, like men after ejaculation go into a refractory period. That is a more dominant story. People tell about different kinds of female orgasms. And here we have the flip of that. So multiple female ejaculations, but after a clitoral orgasm, she feels done.

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Speaker: Fascinating. Right. And more data to add to our pot of community wisdom and more information for people who are experiencing different kinds of orgasms. I want to make sense of what they’re experiencing and compared to other people. The other piece I want to really highlight here is that an orgasm is an orgasm is an orgasm. But orgasms feel different to different people, both in sensation and in intensity at different times. And that can be dependent on the types of tissue you’re stimulating. And so some people named things like clitoral orgasms and g spot orgasms and cervical orgasms and anal orgasm and blended orgasms. And are these categories useful, especially when we consider the clitoris is a deep internal structure. The hood of the clitoris and the glands of the clitoris that you see outside the body is just the tip of the iceberg. And so when we’re doing g spot stimulation, the internal body of the clitoris is being stimulated. So is that a clitoral orgasm? Right.

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Speaker: So you might be feeling it deeper inside your body. But the reality is it’s still stimulating this huge, beautiful erectile tissue that is about the same size as the penis, but it’s inside the body. So you’re seeing like the tip of the penis, which is the clitoris. But all the rest is being stimulated. So people I think there are a lot of kind of hip ideas that you’re focusing on the, you know, eight different kinds of orgasms. And we are of the idea that it is explore your body experiment, try focusing sensation in different parts of your anatomy and see what happens. But we really aren’t concerned about naming them certain kinds of orgasms because pleasure is pleasure, is pleasure and whatever you. Joy is great. And suddenly explode, but we don’t have to get hung up on these ideas of something being better than another or more advanced.

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Speaker: So play, play, play.

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Speaker: Cause another thing people get hung up on is, is female ejaculation a more advanced kind of sexual expression for women? Is female ejaculation more intense and more powerful? And so if I’m not experiencing it. Am I missing out? And this is just a very personal question. And again, the research about female ejaculation is unclear. It’s murky waters, if you will. Some people say that a female ejaculation is primarily urine. Other people say it is fluid builds up in the Perry urethral glands, which some people then named the G spot. It’s an interesting thing when sex educators start promoting ideas of one kind of orgasm being better than another and meaning that you’re more awakened or enlightened, like we want to throw all of that out the window and just say explore what your body is capable of. And some people have pleasurable sex and orgasms for many, many years without ever squirting and then squirt when they least expected. And some people never squirt. And some people love squirting. Other people find it very depleting and it drains them of energy.

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Speaker: Like we need to all be responsible for exploring what our own body is capable of, how it responds to different kinds of stimulation, and what makes you feel good and meets your erotic goals. So with or without ejaculation? Female multiple orgasm is delightful. And I also want to say men are very capable of multiple orgasms, too. And this is a theme we’re going to be exploring in depth in an upcoming project about male sexuality. And we are working right now with a few men all around the world mapping the path to male multiple orgasm and what that experience is like. So this is not just a vulva owning body kind of experience. It’s for all of us. So multiple orgasms do require paying attention to what your body needs. What sets off your refractory period?

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Speaker: So that period of rest and recovery after an orgasm and how you can move from one orgasm to the other in the most pleasurable way for you.

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Speaker: So I am going to just put Charlotte right on the spot cause she is a highly multi orgasmic women. And within our own relationship, we have a difference here when we make love. Charlotte tends to love these cascades of orgasm after orgasm after orgasm. We kind of bring her to a high state of arousal and then suspend her there. And we lose count like we don’t even really focus on who there is an orgasm and there is orgasm. We just kind of ride these peaks and valleys until one of us is done. Sometimes that’s me instead of her. I, on the other hand, love to build arousal and have one big, powerful screaming orgasm. It tends to be big and fierce and volcanic and loud and very loud, but not ejaculatory. When I said volcanic. Yeah. But a huge energetic release. And then I like to just kind of collapse and float in the afterglow. That’s more my style. I can do multiple orgasms, but I tend not to. So to each their own. But what do you think, Charlotte, are the key components for exploring multiple orgasm?

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Speaker: I think it’s a song about exploring what works for you. I mean, I think that getting close to that place of climax and then do you need a rest afterwards or do you like to keep going?

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Speaker: And what happens if you keep going with the sensation? Some people will find that irritating and some people will find that they then fall into another orgasm.

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Speaker: And then once you figure out what works for you, becomes about the art of how to communicate with your partner, what you need, do you need them to slow down? Just pause for a moment and just let you catch your breath and then return to more stimulation or you complete. I mean, it just becomes about the of communication with your partner.

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Speaker: And this is where it’s the pleasure lab. Right. It’s becomes this deep investigation together as a partnership. And some people like exploring these things and masterbation first and then bringing that knowledge into their partnership. Or you can explore as a partnership. But I think as the partner, since I’m the partner in giving multiple orgasms more than receiving multiple orgasms, for me it’s about paying exquisite attention. Two, how one orgasm leads to the next.

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Speaker: Because sometimes, especially in the beginning of the play, we can parlay from one orgasm right into another, especially if I shift focus of attention. And so if we’re really focusing on clitoral and maybe I have two fingers inside Charlotte and she reaches an orgasm and I feel those contractions around my fingers, I’ll then move into kind of a different maybe I’ll start like rocking her hips or I’ll start like rub rubbing my hands up and down her sides.

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Speaker: And so I continues. And sensation but shifted. And so it’s like, oh, there’s a orgasmic peak. Here’s the rest of the body. And then we come back to the clitoris. Other times when especially after several orgasmic rounds, I will just hold really still for maybe 30 seconds a minute, a minute and a half.

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Speaker: So my mouth could be right there and she could feel my warm breath.

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Speaker: My hands are right there, but I’m holding, like, exquisitely still and paying attention to how her body is recovering from that orgasm. And it’s like just a little bit of stillness and space. And then maybe her hips start rocking again into my hand and she guides me in to that next round.

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Speaker: So ask the partner. This becomes so much about paying attention and letting your partner, the receiving partner and the partner that’s suspended in this multi orgasmic bliss guide you in what you are providing next.

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Speaker: And so that could be sometimes right after an orgasm. You want something even harder, right? Like there’s an orgasmic peak and you’re ready for harder thrusting, deeper penetration, bigger penetration. And you can be ready to ride that. Right. Orgasms don’t always lead to this rest period.

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Speaker: And sometimes they do. And I think our most successful and whatever successful, whatever the fuck that means, our best lovemaking sessions come when we’re both really communicating. And so we can ride the wave of what your body is wanting in that moment. And without the hang ups about the expectations, without counting, without worrying about any of that kind of qualitative stuff.

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Speaker: But what is your body asking for right now?

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Speaker: So what I would want to know from this couple is when they say after a clitoral orgasm, she’s done. What is that experience look like? So it’s not just the intensity of the clitoral stimulation builds up to the point where she feels done and the clitoris doesn’t want to be touched anymore. How do other parts of her body feel if they, as I said, just paused, cupped to hand over the vulva, rested for 60 seconds, and then started with like a slow massaging of the vulva again and a slow reintroduction of full body touch. Would she still be done? So what specifically does being done mean? And this is a major thing for men in multiple orgasms as well. Is is being done a hormonal cascade of the refractory period or is being done in oversensitivity of the penis and therefore it feels like it can’t be touched again, because sometimes we think we’re done when our genitals don’t want to be touched in the same intense way.

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Speaker: But that doesn’t have to mean done.

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Speaker: That’s a great point. All right. You can pivot. And then often, after a few moments of rest and spreading that erotic intensity out to the rest of the body, the genitals are ready for more. Right.

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Speaker: And when we think about intensity of touch, we often think that we need to go faster and harder and deeper and bigger to create the next orgasm. There’s this idea that if this worked, then I need to do more. Right. It’s kind of a gateway theory.

00:21:11:18 00:22:05:02
Speaker: You can always has to more and more and more. But I found that sometimes when a lot of full body arousal is built, very subtle kinds of stimulation can stimulate more orgasms, very little motions and different kinds of motions. Like one of my favorite things to do is put a flat fist at the perineum and then start rocking the whole body from that musculature of the perineum. Right. So you create just a contact point in this rocking motion and the whole body starts rocking from that contact point in the pelvis. And that creates this kind of full body bouncing wave of stimulation that has nothing to do with the clitoris or the penis, but rocks that are arousal deep in the body. And then it often opens up for this next round of pleasurable stimulation.

00:22:05:11 00:22:25:14
Speaker: So I think getting creative. Right. Changing positions when you’re. Bodies in a different position. It can change how things are felt and experienced. So this is where the pleasure lab kicks in, is getting really creative, trying things you’ve never tried before and doing things that you’ve never seen in porn.

00:22:26:08 00:22:50:04
Speaker: If you’re at this point of talking about sex, laughing about sex, experimenting with sex in bed, then you are ready for the explorations of trying things with your body that you’ve never thought might be pleasurable. What happens then? Bring humor and creativity into it. And notice how you respond. And that is all the scientific data you need about your own experience.

00:22:53:02 00:23:30:07
Speaker: I want to acknowledge that I think this is easier with hands than it is with a penis. So if you are having these multiple orgasms through penetrative intercourse, I think that is a harder situation to really pay attention to the subtleties of contraction and nuance your touch in just the right way to create multiple orgasms. So I think this is where we really believe in hand sex as one of the primary ways of bringing women into high states of arousal and multiple orgasms.

00:23:30:23 00:23:58:09
Speaker: Or I recommend exploring, like if you’re in this exploring stage together. Do this in a hand sex mouth kind of way. And then later on, take it back to penetrative sex, because you’ll just be able to get so much more information right through, as you’re saying, like really be able to feel the contractions in the heat and the pressure and and wash all of that. And so get all that information in a pleasure lab kind of sex way and then return to penetrative sex.

00:23:59:01 00:24:02:12
Speaker: Right. In a different session probably. Or than you are then. Yeah.

00:24:02:23 00:24:28:16
Speaker: I mean, if you think about reading Braille with your fingertips and the nuance of sensations we are designed to pay attention to with our fingers and then try to read Braille with your penis. That would be much harder than nerve endings just aren’t the same. And so with our hands, which also move in these beautiful, dexterous ways, and you can calibrate the thickness, right. Even with two fingers as that two fingers close to each other.

00:24:28:17 00:24:39:18
Speaker: Are they two fingers in a V which stimulates different parts of the vaginal wall in the G spot? The incredible dexterity of our hands as a sexual tool is something we’re really passionate about.

00:24:40:01 00:24:57:09
Speaker: And I think we used to talk about that a lot more kind of in the beginning of this podcast. And we should circle back to it. Because for me, it is one of the most undiscovered potentials. When we started this podcast we’re talking about, you know, we haven’t yet mapped the human capacity of erotic pleasure.

00:24:57:22 00:25:05:13
Speaker: And I think hands are central and both in terms of full body touch and massage, but also how we touch one another’s genitals.

00:25:06:02 00:25:23:09
Speaker: All sexual systems, Volvo’s penises, anuses, Pentiums of the genitals, love hands and the dexterity and the nuance and like fine tuning that touch to meet just where your partner is wanting and that moment. It’s all about the hands.

00:25:23:20 00:25:34:24
Speaker: I love how you’re talking about Braille, by the way. I think that’s so profound. Like, if we think that humans can really feel into code that level of information, like imagine what they can do inside, inside the body.

00:25:35:05 00:25:38:02
Speaker: I mean, that’s your point. But I just want to highlight. That’s great.

00:25:40:04 00:25:47:24
Speaker: Yeah. So we will talk more about hands and hands, sex and reclaiming it from this idea of like teenage finger banging and right in the car.

00:25:47:25 00:25:58:17
Speaker: That’s like it just because I don’t have sex. No, no. We’re talking about we’re talking about magical, highly sensitive, highly attuned erotic superpowers.

00:25:59:14 00:26:13:05
Speaker: And these techniques for all sexual systems are in our foreplay mastery course. And we hesitated to name it foreplay, mastery, because for us, this is sex. It’s the main event. It’s the main way we make love to each other.

00:26:14:02 00:27:37:24
Speaker: But what a lot of people understand it as is foreplay. And the course includes a lot of other things about creating the conditions to have more frequent sex and full body foreplay. And what all of that looks like. But the hand sex techniques we’re talking about, the video guides, stroke by stroke with Charlotte’s sultry voice guiding you through, is all in the foreplay mastery course. And so circling back to this e-mail question, we had to read it a couple times to even figure out what they’re asking because she’s having multiple orgasms already, but they’re ejaculatory orgasms and she hasn’t seen that named as part of the discourse of female multiple orgasms, which does often focus on clitoral stimulation because the clitoris is the centerpiece of female sexual arousal, but that includes external and internal parts of the clitoris. And penetration, the pleasures of penetration come from the nerve endings in the clitoris. The vaginal walls themselves, while magical and stretchy and beautiful and wonderful, don’t have a whole lot of nerve endings that transmit pleasurable sensations. The feeling of fullness can be pleasurable. But the arousal you’re getting is still from the clitoral body, which is on the other side of the vaginal wall.

00:27:37:25 00:27:50:18
Speaker: So it’s being stimulated through the virginal wall. Right. So it might feel like it’s in the vagina, but that’s what’s happening. Does it make sense? It’s right behind the vaginal wall. And it’s going to engorge. And you’re feeling that sensation and waking up that sensation.

00:27:50:19 00:28:30:23
Speaker: And a large part of the penis, by the way, is also on the inside of the body and can be stimulated in many different ways that we show you. So we all have both internal and external genitals. And this old thing of Inese and Altis is just kind of old old news. Like, that’s part of the sex negative culture, blah, blah, blah. We all have a differently situated collection of nerve endings, erectile tissue glands, muscles, blood vessels, all of these structures that create arousal. And they all work together in harmony.

00:28:31:09 00:30:18:14
Speaker: And you get to be the explorer of what your sexual system is capable of right now is desiring right now what kind of sexual experience you want to create for yourself and for a partner that is your laboratory to plan. And I’m really appreciative that in the question they said were focusing on not caring too much about the answer, because when we get hung up, when we get focused on the pressure to achieve any one experience that we’ve read about in a book or heard about on a podcast, that pressure is antithetical to our arousal. That pressure gets in our way and stresses us out and gives us something to aspire to rather than be in the moment and experiencing what our body is telling us right now. So this becomes an open ended. Choose your own adventure and your body is the playground. You may surprise yourself by exploding into this new realm of what’s possible. And this is what we hear when people start applying our techniques. Is that all of a sudden these new possibilities open up and they didn’t know what their body was capable of before. And this is true with our hands sex techniques. It’s very true with our anal sex techniques. And that’s why we give you this guidance to kind of show you a map of what’s possible. And I always think of it over video gamers brain, but it is like you unlock the new realm of the game and then you can keep exploring. So you have like level one and level two, and then you keep exploring everything within that and you’re always discovering new possibilities, new lands with portals to go into the humans.

00:30:18:19 00:30:19:17
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

00:30:19:18 00:30:50:05
Speaker: And these maps that we give you, these possibilities we want to hold for you are not based just on our own sexual experiences and our own slutty past, but with our work with thousands and thousands of men, women and couples over the past 12, 15 years. We have touched thousands of body as we have guided thousands of bodies and we have listened to and collected the stories of tens of thousands of bodies. And when people confessed to us, Confed, that sounds like we’re priests.

00:30:51:05 00:31:02:24
Speaker: Well, but there is a there is once it is a sacred and a nonjudgmental space, people feel that and they do confess because we don’t have spaces in our culture where we can talk about these things honestly. It does actually feel that way often.

00:31:03:18 00:31:46:02
Speaker: But when people and trust us with their stories and their experiences in this way, we get to both see the radical diversity of what’s possible and the uniqueness of human sexuality, but also the patterns and the patterns of both our struggles and our pleasures. And what are the patterns that make the most sense and what how did these patterns fit together? And this is all of the work we bring in to this podcast into our online courses and into the work we do in the world. So very much we are non academic researchers. We are looking for patterns and then digesting it and reporting back to you to give you something to explore.

00:31:46:14 00:32:09:22
Speaker: And I think this is how we are going to map human sexual possibilities through these shame, free conversations, through lots of exploration, our own bodies, and then talking about it. And so thank you all for being a part of it. And thank you to this man from Texas for writing in and sharing his experience. All right. So if anyone is interested in exploring.

00:32:09:24 00:32:37:02
Speaker: Painting with the hand as sex techniques we were talking about, please check out our foreplay mastery course. Use the code. Speaking of sex for 20 percent off that or any of the other online courses. Come on over to pleasure mechanics, dot com, where you will find our complete podcast, archive, all of our online courses and so much more. We love hearing from you. I’m Chris. I’m Charlotte. We are the pleasure mechanics.

00:32:37:03 00:32:40:06
Speaker: Wishing you a lifetime of pleasure.

Female Performance Anxiety

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Women can suffer from performance anxiety too! Here’s how to overcome female performance anxiety!

In this episode about female performance anxiety, we cover:

  • how female performance anxiety is different from male performance anxiety
  • how to slow things down so you can enjoy sex more
  • different types of performance anxiety and how they show up
  • making vulnerability sexy rather than scary
  • how mindful sex practices can help you overcome performance anxiety

Here is the email that inspired this episode. If you have a question or topic you want covered on a future Speaking of Sex episode, be in touch! Click here for a complete podcast archive.

Hi friends

Thank you for this amazing opportunity to engage, share, learn and talk. I just discovered your site recently and am loving the info you provide and the way in which you do.

So here’s my question:

I recently broke up with my boyfriend after 6 years. We had a great sexlife; he made me come often and well. After my grieving period came to an end I started masturbating and I come quickly and beautifully. Sometimes in 3-5 minutes.

I’ve had sex with two men since and have not come with either- I’m anxious, nervous- what am I doing wrong? I even touch myself but I never reach quite the same pleasure mark as I do when I’m on my own or indeed as I used to with my partner. Sigh.

Please help.

Thank you.

I dedicate my first orgasm with a man to all of you sex angels.

F

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Chris: 00:01 Hi, welcome to Speaking of Sex with The Pleasure Mechanics. I’m Chris.

Charlotte: 00:05 I’m Charlotte.

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Chris: 00:52 Be sure to use the code speaking of sex for 20% off the course of your choice. On today’s episode, we are going to be talking about female performance anxiety. We often think about performance anxiety as something men have to deal with, but we got an email from one of our listeners reminding us that women too can have performance anxiety. And let’s see how it plays out.

Chris: 01:18 Charlotte’s going to get us started by reading the questions submitted by our listener.

Charlotte: 01:23 She writes, “Hi friends. Thank you for this amazing opportunity to engage, learn, and talk. I just discovered your site recently and I am loving the information you provide and the way in which you do. Here’s my question. I recently broke up with my boyfriend after to six years.

Charlotte: 01:44 We had a great sex life. He made me come often and well. After to my grieving period came to an end, I started masturbating and I come quickly and beautifully. Sometimes in three to five minutes. I’ve had sex with two men since and I’ve not come with either. I’m anxious, nervous. What am I doing wrong?

Charlotte: 02:05 I even touch myself, but I never reach quite the same pleasure mark as I do when I’m on my own or indeed as I used to with my partner. Please help. Thank you. I dedicate my first orgasm with a man to all of you sex angels.

Chris: 02:23 Thank you.

Charlotte: 02:25 I like being a sex angel.

Chris: 02:30 Immediately what was interesting to me about this is when we think about performance anxiety in men, we think about the anxiety and the emotions that shutdown erection, thus performance, and this is the construct of sex that we think about is if you don’t have an erection, you can’t have intercourse, therefore you can’t perform, therefore you are a failure.

Chris: 02:52 And we’ve taken that apart and previous episodes and our advice is to move on with different activities, to use your hands, your mouth, to take the pressure off the erection. But this listener is talking about performance anxiety when it comes to pleasure. Like she’s still able to receive intercourse and so we wouldn’t name it like performance anxiety, but her experience of sex, her pleasure, her orgasm is inhibited by her anxiety.

Chris: 03:24 She actually used the term performance anxiety. It was in the subject line of her email. And so that’s why I made that connection at all. I wouldn’t have approached this as performance anxiety.

Charlotte: 03:37 I think this is a really fascinating and important subject to look at and for us to reflect on because there isn’t an overt erection for women, we don’t necessarily think about them performing. I’m having trouble with performance anyway because I feel like it’s not about performance and we talk about it in a million other podcasts, but we can’t see that something isn’t working, like the arousal system isn’t working in the way that one might hope and expect or one’s used to.

Chris: 04:10 I sometimes wish that female arousal like it was like at the carnival and you lit up the lights and then it was like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding and then intercourse is possible and like the pearly gates opened only when the arousal was enough like then it would be like, “Oh she didn’t perform it, only got to level three,” and I think guys would maybe like take it more seriously to get women aroused before penetration.

Chris: 04:31 This is the first episode of this podcast we ever did was about female arousal before penetration and intercourse. Like we feel really strongly about this subject, and we’ve talked about it a lot, but there’s no visual cue for a lot of people and there’s no marker of is she turned on enough to move forward with this sex act. And so-

Charlotte: 04:53 Because wetness is not a marker. Sometimes people think that it is and it’s not correlated to arousal or not being aroused. That is one of the main markers that people use and-

Chris: 05:06 Oh, she’s so wet, she was ready for it.

Charlotte: 05:08 Which isn’t necessarily the case.

Chris: 05:09 But for this person’s experience, for a lot of women’s experience, the deed of sex, the act of sex is not pleasurable, is not worth it and can even be painful or distressing if they’re not into it enough, if they’re not aroused enough to enjoy it. And so when we think about female sexual performance, we should really be thinking about female sexual pleasure and arousal and orgasm and how well the act is working for them as well.

Chris: 05:40 Let’s dive into this listener’s question. And what’s awesome about all of the questions that we receive from you is that no one’s alone in their struggle. So we get a lot of emails from women about orgasm during sex and not having orgasms with partners, even though they’re having orgasms during masturbation, and why is that?

Chris: 05:57 Let’s talk about this because what her information tells me is that the system is working. She’s having orgasms alone. And just like when we talk about male erection and we’d look at morning erections and erections during masturbation, just to see if the plumbing is working. Like that’s the baseline assessment. And so what she’s communicated to us and what so many women say is, “I can have orgasms, just not with my partner.”

Chris: 06:26 So we know that the system is working, her nerve endings are working, orgasms are possible. Where to from there?

Charlotte: 06:34 And then that you’ve had the experience of having orgasms with a partner. You know that that system can work. It’s just this new partner situation and I read it as there’re all these other emotional layers that are happening in a new relationship where perhaps there isn’t the trust or there isn’t the comfort or there isn’t the knowledge that they really admire and like you in this way that your previous partner had expressed and you guys had that understanding.

Charlotte: 07:06 It’s just there’s an emotional experience that is perhaps in the way of the orgasm. And we talked about this in the Turn Offs and Turn On podcast recently.

Chris: 07:20 Yes. If you haven’t already listened to episode 227 about the dual model control of arousal that is definitely relevant here. And the dual model control of arousal tells us that there are things that excite us and contribute to the arousal, your gas pedal. And there are things that inhibit us and detract from your arousal, your brake pedal.

Chris: 07:42 It sounds to me like the brakes are on and so when you’re adding the usual stimulation of touching your clitoris, that additional excitation isn’t enough to bring you to orgasm because you’re slamming on the brakes. So what are some possible breaks in this scenario?

Charlotte: 08:00 Just the newness of the relationship and not necessarily trusting them or knowing where the relationships going, not feeling the same level of connection.

Chris: 08:11 Well, she talks about anxiety, so an active anxiety means she’s worried about do they find her attractive? Is this a sex they want? Are they going to stick around for a relationship? What does this mean? Like all of those questions that go through our head with a new partner. Some of which are exciting and thrilling and build anticipation and others are kind of terrifying.

Chris: 08:32 Like you’re literally getting naked with someone new and exposing yourself and being vulnerable with someone new, and so of course your anxieties are flaring up. I think especially when you get out of a longterm relationship, you’ve been nestled in that cocoon of security and love and now you’re out in the world and dealing with life alone without a partner and dating and whether or not you’re just casually dating and exciting to be having sex with multiple people or you’re looking for your next partner, there’s still a vulnerability that comes with not having a secure partnership with the person you’re having sex with.

Chris: 09:10 And some of that is really exciting as I said, and some of it is scary, and so you really need to do an inventory of what your emotional states are with each new partner. In the meantime, I would recommend slowing it down, and I want to get there, but you keep mentioning this word trust. What does trust and orgasm have to do with each other?

Charlotte: 09:34 I think that for a lot of people having an experience of connection or trust can really allow one’s body to relax, and with that that can be more pleasure available.

Chris: 09:50 Yes, we know relaxation is essential for orgasm and what levels of trust are we talking about? So trust that they’re going to touch you well and not hurt you, trust that they are who they say they are and are they being authentic?

Charlotte: 10:07 Trust about where the relationship’s going, there can be concerns about STI or pregnancy, however you’re navigating that in a new relationship-

Chris: 10:15 Which might be a huge anxiety producer and like we shouldn’t glaze over that.

Charlotte: 10:19 No, it can be huge for some people absolutely.

Chris: 10:21 And just a side note, we don’t talk about sexually transmitted infections or unwanted pregnancies a lot on this podcast. We don’t really consider ourselves health professionals, we’re not trained medically. And so when we get questions about that, we refer you out to people who are experts in these topics, and a lot of our listeners are in dedicated longterm relationships and so we don’t talk about STI prevention and the sexual health side of things very often, but it is super important.

Chris: 10:53 If you’re navigating sex with new partners, preventing infection, preventing unwanted pregnancies is one of the highest anxiety producing things you have to navigate. And so making sure you are well educated about these things, that you have methods that you rely on, you know how they work and that you’re comfortable enough with them, that you can use them during sex, and if you have an infection, like so many people do, such as herpes or warts or something like that, that’s just kind of a chronic infection you have to know your own body well enough to know if you’re having a flare up, if you’re contagious or if you’re in remission, and then how to talk about that with new partners.

Chris: 11:36 We are going to try to tackle this topic soon. Bring in an expert on the topic because we don’t want to pretend like it’s not there, but if you’re having any anxiety about unwanted transmission of babies or diseases, then that of course is going to prevent you from having orgasms. It’s going to be distracting you. It’s going to be creating a fear response in your body. So yes, that’s huge.

Chris: 12:01 And then I think just the personal element of like, “Who am I fucking?” Like who is this person I’m letting into my body? Do they deserve to be in my body? Do they deserve to be my bed? Do I want to be naked with them? Sometimes we find ourselves having sex before we’re ready.

Chris: 12:15 A lot of adults kind of go through the bases. It’s like they kiss, they fondle, they do some touchy, touchy, maybe some oral sex and then they have intercourse. Like it’s this just natural progression of activities that you go through with each new partner, and I really want to encourage you to slow it down and not have sex with people so quickly even if you want to.

Chris: 12:38 I’m not saying be a prude and hold out. Even if you really want to be having sex, slow it down and see how that affects your anxiety. Keep your clothes on for a little while, stay in the make out session and notice what your body does when you slow down. Does it start relaxing into the person’s presence? Are you building that trust? Are you building the kind of communication where you feel like you can melt into the person’s embrace in the way that we have to do when we want to have orgasms with a partner?

Chris: 13:12 Because I think those are the orgasms of the partner that people are seeking. I think there’s this other way of having orgasms with a partner that you can use the friction and take your mind somewhere and distract herself from all the anxieties that you’re rubbing up against one another and using the friction as a sex toy kind of thing, and then you have orgasms in one another’s presence, but it’s not really together.

Chris: 13:35 You know what I mean?

Charlotte: 13:36 I do. That’s-

Chris: 13:38 Another-

Charlotte: 13:39 It’s nuanced. I think that excitement is so close to nervousness and anxiety. Fear is excitement without breath is what they say. Meaning the states of fear and the state of excitement are very similar in the body. The difference is when you’re excited, you’re a little bit relaxed as well, and you’re breathing fully and you’re able to stay present in the moment.

Charlotte: 14:04 When you’re afraid, you tense up around that excitement, your breath constricts, and you start going into the worry and the fear and the projected reality of what’s in the future. Like you can’t really be afraid in the present moment and be relaxed at the same time.

Charlotte: 14:23 Breathe baby, breathe. Breathe, and see if you can stay in the excitement realm, and if that means taking off less clothes or just doing play with your hands so that you’re exploring orgasm or exploring arousal together, but not necessarily having intercourse. Like maybe that could be a way that you’re exploring the connection and the excitement of building more trust, but keeping it exciting instead of anxiety producing.

Chris: 14:51 Yeah, for me, if I was writing the rules of sex from the ground up, I would recommend that everyone has orgasms with new partners before having any sort of penetrative intercourse.

Charlotte: 15:02 Yeah, that would be awesome. I think teenagers that’d be awesome also. Does a whole other stuff.

Chris: 15:08 It’s just a game changer. I don’t feel like someone’s genitals should be inside your body before you’ve gained that level of communication. And I say orgasm, I really mean high states of arousal. Some people cannot have the climax of orgasm, but they can get to high states of arousal that feel really great and cathartic if that’s where you’re at, great, but see how it feels for yourself to rewrite your own rules and slow it down and try to have orgasms with new partners before intercourse.

Chris: 15:42 Try all the other ways of engaging all the other things you can do. If you need help, check out our foreplay mastery course, but try to reach that level of intimacy and communication and relaxation with a new partner before you have intercourse and then see how the intercourse feels.

Charlotte: 16:00 Or go on more dates before you take off your clothes. I know that’s a crazy idea, but-

Chris: 16:07 She hasn’t really give us information about-

Charlotte: 16:08 Totally, but I think it’s just this point of like creating more of an experience of relaxation and trust before you’re trying to have an orgasm. Because if that’s what your body is needing … Like your body can have orgasms, you know how to do this. It’s really about it not feeling totally safe or this trust worth that I keep putting it to use.

Charlotte: 16:30 That’s I think the piece. And there’s nothing wrong with that, that this newness can be exciting, but trying to explore in the exciting realm instead of in the anxiety producing realm. And so doing what you need to do to create that situation, whether that’s more dating beforehand or more play that isn’t intercourse as Chris is suggesting.

Chris: 16:51 Well one thing we haven’t talked about is the partner’s skills, and so that’s of course this huge other factor is, is the partner you’re having desirable, sexy, exciting to you? Are they touching you well? Are they talking to you well? All of those things are in that sexual excitation category and then each new partner brings their own things in that inhibition breaks category.

Chris: 17:17 There is an element here where you might have to sleep with a few people before you find your next great partner.

Charlotte: 17:23 Yeah. And that can be part of the adventure and the fun.

Chris: 17:27 And there’s this balance here because I think our culture tells us, just find the right partner and everything will be okay. We know better than that. We know that there’s a lot to work on in your own sexuality, in your own relationship with your body to be able to have great sex, no matter who you’re with.

Chris: 17:41 You can be with the most skilled, sexy, amazing partner in the world and not have any fun if you don’t bring certain things to the table. The big advice here is to start managing your inhibitions, managing your emotional anxiety so you can be fully present, relaxed and aware as you’re having sex with new people and can start determining who you want to have sex with more often and invite back into your bedroom and into your body.

Chris: 18:10 And so do that by slowing things down, taking things one step at a time, focusing on your breathing. Breath is always good in the bedroom and in this case will help you stay relaxed and focused on the present moment, and notice what emotional anxieties are coming up. What can you deal with and what do you need to just be friends with and set aside and get back to your erotic experience.

Chris: 18:35 If it’s things like pregnancy, then you can deal with that by coming up with contraceptive methods that work for you. If it’s things like body image or emotional concerns about where the relationship is going, you may just have to gently make friends with that, set it aside and notice it’s there, but not let it overwhelm your erotic experience.

Chris: 18:58 Really just be gentle with yourself. You’re in a very significant process here of opening up to new intimacy after a six year relationship. That’s a big deal. So be kind to yourself as you move through this process and keep masturbating. I was so happy to read that part of it. Keep taking care of your own sexual needs. Keep exploring your arousal, keep exploring your fantasies and know that that is all fuel you’re going to bring into your next great love affair with a partner.

Charlotte: 19:30 And know that it makes total sense that your emotions are inhibiting your arousal, that that is an extremely reasonable and sensible thing that is happening in your body and in your experience of your sexuality right now. I love Chris’s advice of make friends with the emotions that you are noticing and see if that helps calm them so that you can be present to the physical experience and the excitement of what perhaps is happening.

Chris: 20:01 Let us know what works for you. We love hearing from you, and any other listener that’s having an experience where strong emotions are affecting arousal systems, we want to hear your story and what’s going on for you. Come on over to pleasuremechanics.com and explore the site and go to pleasuremechanics.com/hello to leave us a voicemail message or send us an email and let us know what’s going on for you.

Chris: 20:28 We love hearing from you. I’m Chris.

Charlotte: 20:31 I’m Charlotte.

Chris: 20:32 We are The Pleasure Mechanics.

Charlotte: 20:33 Wishing you a lifetime of pleasure.

Surrendering Into Orgasm

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Have you ever had trouble letting go of control long enough to have an orgasm with a partner? Here’s how to surrender into orgasm, on your own terms.

Many women, especially those who like being in control of every element of their lives, have trouble letting go enough to get off. Even women who can have orgasms during masturbation sometimes have trouble with orgasms during partnered sex.

Here are our strategies for learning how to get out of your head and into your body so you can fully savor the sensations of arousal and surrender into orgasm.

In this podcast episode, we cover:

  • the anatomy of an orgasm
  • how “being in control” can block an orgasm
  • how to build trust with your partner to have more orgasmic sex
  • what elements of kinky sex help you have more orgasms
  • how to prepare your body for surrendering into orgasm

Resources mentioned on this episode:

Kinky Sex Mastery

Erotic Spanking Mastery

Here is the letter that inspired this episode:

Dear Pleasure Mechanics,
I stumbled on your podcast the other day and am reaching out to see if you can help me with a predicament I have found myself in since the beginning of my sex life.
I am 25 and have always had big difficulties reaching orgasm in the presence of a partner. (During masturbation I am pleased to say I have no problems!) When I began being sexually active beyond basic self-pleasure 8 years ago, I think part of the challenge was that I was unfamiliar with my own body and was shy to ask for what I wanted. However, I have had this issue recurringly, both in more casual encounters as well as in my most recent relationship which lasted 4 years. I had good communication with my partner, and he was very patient and attentive. His persistence however was not enough to bring me to orgasm – it became clear to me that I have a block/fear that I cannot seem to overcome. Naturally this was hugely frustrating for both of us, and led to loss of libido.
In the last 3 years I have really focused on getting to know myself through self-stimulation, I have read up on the matter, had sessions with a psycho-sexual therapist, and done some courses to expand my understanding, always focusing on clearing blocks and worries that I noticed along the way. I have also learned that being intimate does not always need to lead to orgasm, so the importance of this problem has shifted a little bit. Still, I want to be able to work through my block so that I know I can achieve orgasm when I am being intimate with a man. As I don’t have any trauma in my past that could help explain my fear, I am thinking that it may be linked to some of my personality traits outside the bedroom.
Control is an important aspect in my life – and surrender (i.e. giving up control), is something I am not used to. I like being in control of my actions, the results I achieve, my emotions, people’s attitudes towards me. I have even noticed that my assertiveness can often lead to people’s decisions or actions reflecting what they think I would do, or what I would expect, even if I am not intentionally interfering with the situation or outcome. As a result, I am used to being in control, and feel out of my comfort zone when I am not.
Inversely I would say that I feel uncomfortable in surrender mode. However, when I analyse my fantasies I am curious about taking the role of a submissive in a BDSM dynamic (not a hardcore one, but the idea of being restrained, controlled, and/or having to accept what is done to me turns me on). Perhaps I think that here I find a compromise that I can feel more comfortable with – controlled and agreed surrender. But why do I think I need a formal agreement to feel comfortable enough to surrender? And how can I practice surrender with a man, without making it all about reaching climax?
Do you have any advice as to how I can overcome my block of reaching orgasm with a man?
Many thanks in advance and really look forward to hearing from you,
-Laura

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Becoming Cliterate with Dr. Laurie Mintz

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Men have about three orgasms for every one a woman has in a long term relationship. This is not because women’s anatomy is more complicated! It turns out that the kind of sex most people are having is not what will bring most women to orgasm. Studies and surveys reveal that only 4-5% can have orgasms through intercourse alone.

The solution? Closing the orgasm gap requires learning about clitoral anatomy and how to use it. In her new book, Dr. Laurie Mintz shares the intricate anatomy of the clitoris and how to create new kinds of sexual scripts that will lead you to female orgasm and beyond. She encourages more time for full body warm-up, lots of clitoral stimulation and new alternatives and additions to intercourse so you can expand your sexual repertoire. The book goes way beyond the clitoris and shares essential techniques for communication and conversation that will be equally transformative to your sex life.

We’ve been holding women back by looking for the ultimate orgasm instead of getting to know their own body and how to have orgasms in the way their body likes best ~ Dr. Laurie Mintz on becoming more orgasmic.

In this episode, we explore the orgasm gap and how it impacts men and women alike.

We cover:

  • The orgasm gap and why it matters
  • The most reliable way to generate female orgasms
  • The orgasm hierarchy
  • The true anatomy of the clitoris and how to stimulate it
  • The vast variety of ways to create clitoral stimulation
  • The kind of intercourse we ALL should be having
  • The orgasm paradox
  • Mindful sex and how it helps you experience more orgasms

Get to know your own body and learn to express it’s needs to your partner. There is no one right way to have sex. Whatever your body wants and needs is the right way to have sex. Get rid of all the cultural “shoulds” when it comes to what you need for pleasure and orgasms. ~ Dr. Laurie Mintz

All Bodies Welcome Here!

When we talk about the clitoris we may talk about women as a general category of people who have a clitoris – but some people who have a clitoris identify as men and some people who identify as women don’t have a clitoris – so while our language is limited our intention is inclusive and everyone who has a human body will gain valuable wisdom and insight from this conversation.

About Dr. Laurie Mintz, author of Becoming Cliterate

Dr. Laurie Mintz is a tenured Professor at the University of Florida, where she teaches the Psychology of Human Sexuality to hundreds of undergraduate students each year. Dr. Mintz has published over 50 research articles in academic journals and six chapters in academic books. She also writes a popular blog and has a small private therapy practice. Her professional goal is to  provide scientifically-accurate, sex-positive information to enhance female pleasure. Dr. Mintz first book was  A Tired Woman’s Guide to Passionate Sex: Reclaim Your Desire and Reignite Your Relationship and in this episode we dive into her new book Becoming Cliterate : Why Orgasm Equality Matters—And How to Get It. 

Find out more about Dr. Laurie Mintz here

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Transcript of Becoming Cliterate Interview with Dr. Laurie Mintz

Note: This is a transcript auto-generated from the audio recording of this interview. It has been lightly edited with human love, but is provided not as a polished written piece but rather as a supplement to the audio and a service to anyone who could use a text version of this valuable information! Thanks!

Chris Maxwell Rose (CMR): Hi, welcome to Speaking of Sex with the Pleasure Mechanics. I’m Chris, and on today’s episode, I have the pleasure of speaking with Dr. Laurie Mintz. Before we dive in, let me remind you to come on over to PleasureMechanics.com for our complete podcast archive and go to PleasureMechanics.com/free to sign up for the Erotic Essentials, our free mini course delivered straight to your inbox. When you’re ready to master new erotic skills including those we will speak about on this episode, check out our mastery courses and use the code “speaking of sex” for 20% off the course of your choice. So today we welcome Dr. Laurie Mintz. She’s a tenured professor at the University of Florida where she teaches the psychology of human sexuality to hundreds of undergraduate students each year. Dr. Mintz has published over 50 research articles in academic journals and six chapters in academic books. She also writes a popular blog and has a small private therapy practice. Her professional goal is to provide scientifically accurate sex positive information to enhance female pleasure. Dr. Mintz’s first book was A Tired Woman’s Guide to Passionate Sex: Reclaim Your Desire and Reignite Your Relationship, and today we’re going to dive into her new book Becoming Cliterate: Why Orgasm Equality Matters and How To Get It. Dr. Laurie Mintz, welcome to Speaking of Sex!

Dr. Laurie Mintz (LM): Thank you. I’m excited to be here.

CMR: Mhm, We have so much to talk about I’m so excited! Before we start, I do want to say that we’re going to be talking a lot about the clitoris and a female body and I want to acknowledge that while we talk about women as a general category of people who have a clitoris, some people who have a clitoris identify as men and some people who identify as women don’t have a clitoris and there’s lots of genderqueer people in between. So while our language is limited, our intention is inclusive and everyone who has a human body will gain valuable wisdom and insight from this conversation. So Dr. Mintz, what is the “orgasm gap,” and why did it motivate you to write this book?
LM: Well the orgasm gap is the fact- and- first of all, let me- can back up and say how glad that I am that you are giving that introduction about language because that’s something I really struggled with when I wrote the book and I really do want this to be inclusive for everyone, so thank you for saying that and bringing that up. In terms of the “orgasm gap,” is the finding in multiple studies that women are having far fewer orgasms than our men and in relationship sex for example, the average is that a man will have three orgasms to every female orgasm, and if that weren’t bad enough, when we talk about casual sex, or hookup sex, things get even worse. In multiple years of my Psychology of Human Sexuality Class I take surveys, anonymous surveys, with- it’s called iClicker technology- and basically what I find is when I ask my students, “How often do you orgasm during first time hook up sex (during- including activities in which you could orgasm, since the term “hookup” is very vague) this is staggering to me, 55% of the men say yes, versus 4% of the women.

So there’s just a huge gap and that was my motivation for writing Becoming Cliterate is to give people the information to close that gap and make orgasms an equal opportunity event.

CMR: Yeah, and so anecdotally we know that women’s orgasms are harder to come by, and is this just because women’s bodies are oh-so-complicated, or is there something wrong with how we’re thinking about sex in the first place that culturally creates this orgasm gap?

LM: I believe it is cultural and that’s why my book is a combination of cultural analysis and self-help to examine why do we have this problem and then how can we solve this problem.

CMR: Mm. So how are we thinking about sex wrong?

LM: Well it’s a very male centered way of thinking about sex. Even the word “sex,” let’s start there -When we think- when we hear the word “sex” in our culture it is used synonymous with “intercourse” and that is how women think they should orgasm because if- especially if they’re getting their Sex Ed from mainstream movies or porn, what you see is women having fast and fabulous orgasms from intercourse alone, and that is a lie. I call that in the book “the number one lie about getting laid” that most women- the vast majority do NOT orgasm from thrusting alone. So that’s the basis of the lie, but then there’s so many other cultural factors that are also relevant, our lack of Sex Ed that includes pleasure. We don’t learn about the clitoris which is the primary sex orgasm organ in women, in any of our Sex Ed. Women are socialized to sort of, be more concerned about how they look and appear than how they feel, no one teaches Sex Communication… so there’s so, so, so, many cultural reasons that are uh, the culprit in the orgasm gap and it’s not because women are so complicated. Certainly, I think you know, what every woman needs to orgasm is different, because every woman’s genital nerves are positioned differently, but if you know what you need and you have communication skills it makes it not that complex and you know, lesbian women are not having- or women who have sex with women don’t have the orgasm gap, so to me that speaks volumes to “this is a cultural issue.”

CMR: Mm, so are you saying women who have sex with women have more orgasms than women who have sex with men?

LM: Yes, significantly more. There’s not a- when women have sex with women, they pretty much, you know, over 90% orgasm, same with when women… um, pleasure themselves about 94% orgasm, but when we add a penis in the equation, that number plummets.

CMR: OK, but I do want to say, so this isn’t an attack on men. It’s an attack on our culture that denies us all more pleasure because men are put under a lot of pressure too from this equation of thinking that they have to last longer in bed, that it’s all about their penis size… There’s so much suffering on both sides of this equation, right?

LM: Absolutely. And I was very, very, adamant and careful in the book to not do any male blaming or male bashing and I don’t blame men… um, and I specifically say this is- men are subject to the same pressures and in fact, Becoming Cliterate benefits men because they can take that pressure away from the falsehood of “lasting long, thrusting hard,” and I actually have a chapter in the book for men called You Don’t Have to Have a Clitoris to be Cliterate, where I actually do talk to them about the benefits of Cliteracy for them.

CMR: Mm, and I really love how you emphasize what we find too is that men who are in relationships with women want nothing more than to give pleasure and to see their women happy and they’re not these selfish monsters we make them out to be-  it’s just about finding the strategies for both giving and receiving pleasure.

LM: Exactly, I couldn’t have said it any better. That’s exactly how I feel and what I believe.

CMR: So one of the features of this book that I love is really going into the anatomy of the clitoris and that it’s not just the tip of the iceberg we see but there’s a deep internal structure and how we can stimulate all parts of the clitoris.

I want to get your opinion on this because I’ve been fiddling with this idea because we talk about women “want direct clitoral stimulation,” but that doesn’t always mean direct on the glans of the clitoris on the very head where it’s most sensitive, right?

LM: Exactly, and in fact what we really we should be talking about: clitoral-vulva stimulation. CMR: Yes, yes

LM: But you know and in fact there’s a point in the book where I say that’s what I mean. Because basically every woman, as I said, their nerves are positioned differently: for some women, touching the hood of clitoris even to stimulate the glans below is too intense and they need stimulation say, through their panties, or the inner lips actually attached to the clitoral glans and hood in two places and stimulating the inner lips which are actually chock-full of nerves and analogous to the head of the man’s penis. You know, that stimulates the clitoris so… Some people even say we should be calling all of women’s genital anatomy the clitoris because it’s all interconnected, and exactly – that doesn’t mean just going for the glans or the hood. Absolutely.

CMR: I wrote in the notes of my book, “advanced Cliteracy,” like knowing where all of the parts of your clitoris are and being able to say specifically like “I like when you stimulate my clitoris through the labia,” and having that language is so important.

LM: Absolutely and that’s really another place where the orgasm gap is fueled is in our language because you know in Sex Ed, all that people learn about is the vagina. That is it. And we call all of women’s anatomy the vagina which you know, I’m not saying that intercourse is not pleasurable, but it is just not how most women reach orgasm, so even our language and our lack of language really obscures women’s orgasmic capacity in pleasure.

CMR: Do you get upset as I do when you hear people call their entire genitals the vagina?

LM: Oh I get really upset about that. I get upset when I hear that, I get upset when I hear people talking about like, articles that give the best sex position for her orgasm and don’t even mention the clitoris and are just talking about orgasm, intercourse… I get so upset about all of it. Once you see this language it’s so all around you it’s so hard not to get upset.

CMR: One of the things I love about the book is you give new scripts for pleasure.

You kind of point out that so many of us have a script that’s you know, kissing, a little bit of foreplay, going right into intercourse – and how this formula doesn’t allow many women, many people with clitorises to have the pleasure that they seek and you give different kind of play by play ideas for how to restructure, reformulate the sex act.

I think that’s brilliant. One of the things that I noticed is you start each script with about 20 minutes of fooling around. Why is that phase important?

LM: Well that phase is important because that warm up- but I’m talking about not even that’s before we even get into touching genitals and I’m not saying that it has to happen every time. I mean, sometimes that will be less than 20 minutes, sometimes more, but it takes women time to get aroused, and that’s full body arousal and to lubricate and just get into the idea “oh this is going to be really arousing and fun,” and sadly, research shows that in encounters between men and women the average amount of time spent on any kind of warm up before it’s right to touching genitals, (which might even not be wet at that point) for women is five minutes… and so I really wanted to emphasize that that warm up is very, very, important.

CMR: And so, dipping into your therapy background a little bit, what would you say to women who find it hard to receive touch- who find it hard to stay present in their body, to enjoy stimulation, and kind of want to rush through sex just to get it over with.

LM: Well I would- and I’ve met with many women who have that feeling that “I just want to get this over with and I need to rush through it, I take too long,” and you know what I would find what I often do is sort of a combination of normalizing, providing information, coupled with teaching some skills. So normalizing information that it takes an average woman 20 minutes of vulva and clitoral stimulation to reach an orgasm as much as 45 for some, that is normal. It’s not something to be like, ashamed of or “Oh, I’m taking too long.” So women understand that, but then teaching both mindfulness, which is so important, which is the ability to stay present in one’s body, and sexual communication skills. Those two skills will help a woman relax, enjoy touch, and take the time that she needs to become orgasmic.

CMR: Yes. Yes, and then so after those 20 minutes of full body touch, (we love couples massage as a warm up)

You then go on to lay out all of these options and there’s kind of, pages and pages of options which I was reading in a coffee shop and I was kind of getting delighted by, but one of the things you emphasize is that intercourse doesn’t have to be the punctuation, you can have intercourse first and then move on to other activities, you can do oral sex and finger play first, and then have intercourse. How important is it to- we call it “de-centralized” intercourse in the sex act? Is that a really essential skill for couples for their long term pleasure?

LM: It is absolutely essential and that is really a major point of the book both from the language to those plays you’re talking about which I’m delighted that you enjoyed so much.CMR: Yes.LM: Because they really- we really have like you said, that one cultural script, you know: a little bit of foreplay to get her ready, intercourse, his orgasm, maybe her faked orgasm, sex over. There are so many more ways to play that out that involve intercourse, but don’t make it the main event or that don’t even involve intercourse at all. So I’m really thrilled that you enjoy those plays.

CMR: Gosh it’s just so important I think especially long term relationships because what you enjoy and what your body can do changes, like, I’m just on the other side of a chronic illness and just noticing how much my body changed just from being sick for about a year, and to be resilient in a relationship we have to have that flexibility. As we age, like, there’s so many things that change in our bodies and how we have sex has to be one of them.

LM: Absolutely, well first of all I’m sorry that you’ve dealt with an illness for so long and I wish you healing and recovery.

CMR: Thank you.

LM: Yeah, yeah, I know that’s very hard, but what you say is so important for us cause all of us will be in that place at some point or another… I have a friend who works in the rehab field and says we are all temporarily able bodied-

CMR: Yes.

LM: And that we all have to prepare ourselves for bodily changes and that doesn’t mean that sex- you know, and I’m saying sex broadly, needs to change, but what it requires is an absolute comfort and attunement to your own body, your own needs, and the ability to communicate with your partner and lifelong learning about how your body changes, how your needs change, how your partner’s needs change. So all of that is so important.

CMR: So as we unfurl this as a culture, as women get more Cliterate and start learning how to enjoy orgasms from different kinds of stimulation, there seems to be- and you echoed this in the book so beautifully- that there’s still a strange hierarchy of orgasms- that like, if you have to bring a vibrator into bed it doesn’t count as much or it’s lesser than and that this kind of simultaneous orgasm during intercourse is the ultimate Holy Grail of sex.
What do you say to that belief system?

LM: Bullshit basically. (laughs)

And, you know, there is- it’s this crazy hierarchy if you can have an orgasm from thrusting alone at the same time as your partner, as you say, that’s number one. Thrusting alone, number two, even if it’s not at the same time, and then you know, oral sex. Oh, then of course if you can have it with clitoral stimulation plus intercourse together, they call that like, “assisted intercourse” like there’s something wrong with it, you know? That’s the next best and then, “Oh no, those poor women who need direct vulva-clitoral stimulation” you know, and can’t orgasm with intercourse, or some women I talk to say they find the feeling of a penis in their vagina distracting. You know, they really need just complete focus on themselves and that’s of course, you know, they’re down there in the hierarchy and as you say a vibrator- and to me that is just complete and utter hogwash and it is really one of those notions that truly, truly, goes way back to Freud and differentiating clitoral and vaginal orgasms declaring one immature, and it has been holding women up ever since in terms of looking for the “ultimate orgasm” instead of getting to know their own bodies and having orgasms that way their own body works best.

CMR: And so this is a question we get a lot from women: Is there a difference of clitoral orgasms, and vaginal orgasms, and cervical orgasms, and squirting orgasms, and people are always looking for kind of a taxonomy of orgasms. What does the research show us? What is the biology show us- is an orgasm an orgasm, or are they sourced from different nerves?

LM: Well interestingly, and you know I dedicate about three paragraphs to this in the book, but what I’m summarizing is hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, of studies in three paragraphs. My answer to that, although, I’d be very interested in your beliefs because you’re you know equally an expert in this, my honest answer is: scientists are still debating. There is one camp that says because the nerves from the vagina and the clitoris go up the spinal cord to the brain by different pathways, and some other reasonings that “yes, these are different,” plus some women say they feel different. There’s other people that are saying, you know, they are not different they’re all clitoral because we should consider the entire network of nerves clitoral. My honest answer is I don’t really see why it matters and I think that that- I mean I think it does matter scientifically and especially medically if you’re trying to help women for example who’ve had spinal cord injuries orgasm, but attention to the question itself is what sets up that hierarchy, and again this is not male bashing, it’s cultural bashing. All this attention is differentiating different types of female orgasms. We don’t talk about for men “well there’s a hand-job orgasm, and a blowjob orgasm and an inner penis, you know, orgasm, and a prostate orgasm,” like there isn’t that attention to this. We really, when we talk about female orgasms we go to this whole difference equals deficit model. Like if there are different ones, then we have to declare one best, so I have a sort of concern with the question itself and the attention it gets in the media.

CMR: Amen. (laughs)

CMR: I wholeheartedly agree and I think again looking at the men and the women together and just looking at the human sexual system what we’ve noticed is that there’s kind of a galaxy of orgasms both in intensity in where you feel them, in how you feel them, and that just becomes a place to play and experiment, and again, if you have a whole repertoire of different ways you can orgasm and climax and enjoy sex, the world opens up and you’re not searching for the Holy Grail you’re bathing in it.

LM: Oh, I love that. I love what you just said that there is a galaxy and you know some feel every orgasm might feel a little bit different and it opens up experimentation and at the same time I would also say if you’re a person who can truly only orgasm with one very unique kind of stimulation, even, you know, no matter how you get that- if it’s this specific vibrator in this specific position if it works every time then that’s OK too. That is A-OK too. However your body works is the best way.

CMR: Yeah. You manage the kind of paradoxes of all of this so well in the book and one thing you really handle well is this idea that orgasms are important but they don’t have to be the goal and that pleasure is really the goal and whatever that looks like too.

Can you talk a little bit about that,  like, because I struggle with this too. Orgasms do matter to me, but I don’t want to become so goal-centric. We struggle to have orgasms because the more we try to have them the harder they are to have. It’s a funny loop to get into

LM: It really is especially, you know, that’s why I love the title for you, you’re Pleasure Mechanics, you’re not Orgasm Mechanics. So I think again we’re back to language matters, and it was a paradox I struggled with because so many of my students are so distressed about not being able to orgasm, and so I did want to write this book to provide an analysis of why and solutions, and at the same time anything that puts you in your head when you’re having a sexual encounter rather than in your body, like, “Am I going to come? Am I taking too long to come? My gosh, I gotta come, I gotta come, I gotta come” takes you away from your body and it defeats the purpose, so I do repeatedly say in the book, this is going- I’m doing this to help you orgasm, but any focus on an orgasm in itself is going to be a problem so it is a paradox that we need to just you know, talk about directly, so I’m so glad that you raised that.

CMR: And another thing I love is when you talk about the kind of intercourse we should all be having- meaning conversation.

LM: Mhm, I loved that- when I first learned that the word “intercourse” actually means communication, I was just delighted with that because that is what is so needed and people have been told to be so afraid to talk about sex and have sexual conversations and you cannot solve any problem without conversation or enhance a relationship without conversation and that just extends into sexual conversations.

CMR: And then you point out that sometimes, actually in the sex act in bed is not the best place to have conversations and you give ideas for kitchen table conversations and long drive conversations, I think that’s really brilliant.

LM: Thank you, yes, I mean I do think that some communication needs to happen in the bed like, you know, “softer/harder there” or “I’d like this, would you like this?” but really long, problem-solving, enhancing talks like, “Hey, I have this fantasy, I’m a little scared to tell you, but what do you think?” or “I’d like us to do this differently.” Those should not- those difficult conversations should happen outside of the bedroom using those really sound communication skills that I wish we taught everyone in school just like I wish we taught them about pleasure, but unfortunately we don’t teach enough of either.

CMR: Yeah. And you dedicate a whole section to the book about how to talk well and how to own your own emotions. I love how the kind of therapy part of you and the sex teacher are part of you all came together in this book.

LM: Oh thank you. Yes I really did. I actually have said to people I feel like this book is the climax of my career. (laughs)

CMR: Well we can have multiple orgasms and we can have multiple climaxes.

LM: Exactly. But I think you’re right, I did try to put the person in me that is very engaged in cultural analysis and the therapist and the researcher and the mother- like, this book is, I feel like this book is, for our daughters, you know, so thank you for saying that it means a lot to me.

CMR: If you could just telepathically broadcast one message to the world to change sex culture for the better, what would it be?

LM: Gosh, that is a great question. I only got one message in one sentence. I really should make it count. I would say: Get to know your own body and then learn to express that need to your partner.

And again, there is no “right” way to have sex or whatever your body wants and needs is the right way, and get rid of all those cultural “shoulds” when it comes to what you need for pleasure and orgasm

CMR: Beautiful, beautiful. So definitely check out the book Becoming Cliterate: Why Orgasm Equality Matters and How to Get it. It belongs on your bedside table. Dr. Laurie Mintz, thank you so much.LM: Thank you so much.CMR: We will link up to your website and to the book on the show notes page over at pleasuremechanics.com and we will bring you back to speak more. We could go on for hours I think!

LM: I do think so too, I so enjoyed this, thank you.CMR: Beautiful.

So I hope you have enjoyed our conversation with Dr. Laurie Mintz about Becoming Cliterate. I’d definitely recommend the book- it was a lot of fun to read and I read a lot of books about sex so that’s saying something. And when you are ready to master the physical skills of Cliteracy, all of the different ways of stimulating the clitoris, the entire vulva, the internal structures of the clitoris, putting it all together for maximum pleasure, definitely check out our Foreplay Mastery Course. The video guides on how to touch the female sexual system. It’s just one cornerstone of that course. We also share all of our favorite techniques for touching the penis and the male sexual system and having the skills of fingering and hand jobs definitely opens up a huge range of fulfilling, satisfying, highly orgasmic, pleasurable, ways to touch one another so you don’t become as reliant on intercourse, and so intercourse can become much more orgasmic when you do want to have it. Check out the course at pleasuremechanics.com and to celebrate this episode and to help you all become more Cliterate, and penis literate, (I don’t know what the word for that will be!) We would like to offer you a special discount of 30% off the Foreplay Mastery Course using the promo code “clit.” c-l-i-t. Put that in a check out and you will get 30% off this course and you can start expanding your own sexual horizons by following along with our video guides and listening to the audio guides and taking advantage of the full multimedia resources available to you in that course. It’s our best selling course for a reason. It’s fabulous and phenomenal. I definitely recommend you check it out. Go to pleasuremechanics.com. Check out the Foreplay Mastery Course. Use the code. “clit” c-l-i-t for 30% off discount on this course only, and we will be back with you next week with a new podcast episode. I’m Chris from pleasuremechanics.com wishing you a lifetime of pleasure.
Cheers!

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